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clausti
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chitowngirl
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I can see why you all feel the way do you about sports climbing, but really, I wouldn't be a climber without the gym. Someone like me, who never knew anybody who climbed, and who lives in the city, a city not exactly surrounded by lots of places to climb, never had really any way to get into trad. climbing. I spotted an indoor rock wall in vegas and thought that since I like to hike and camp, shouldn't I take it to the next level? So, I came back to Chi-town, found a gym, and have been crazy about climbing ever since. So, I am grateful for sports-climbing and indoor gyms. I have only once done trad. climbing - mostly because I am new to the sport and don't know how to set up anchors, etc., nor do I really have a partner who could go with me who knows how to do those things either. It's not like you trad. climbers are wandering around my neighborhood waiting to teach us newbies all that you know. And, it's especially hard to get into trad. climbing when you trad. climbers have an attitude about those of us who have only been in the gym. I keep hoping to meet somebody who'll take me out to some crag somewhere and show me the ropes, so to speak, but it never happens. I am hoping that this site will improve my chances.
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kalcario
Nov 9, 2004, 4:51 AM
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*take it to Ceuse and see what you can get up*
this is fun...
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=12071
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cjstudent
Nov 9, 2004, 4:55 AM
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In reply to: If you can't competently function at a trad crag in a lead capacity then you are not a climber.
That statement doesn't represent the entire trad community, at least not me. If u want to sport climb, go for it. It doens't bother me if people want to sport climb and call themselves climbers, for one...that means there will be less people at the trad crag. Also there are alot of things that make up a climber...doing it the trad way isn't the final hurdle to jump through to gain the status of "climber"
In reply to: There's a difference between somebody who "goes climbing" and being a climber.
That is true. There are people on this earth who have gone trad climbing a few times, and may occassionaly go...but are they climbers? They don't devote themselves to the sport totally. They may have never given a dime to help the cause of climbers, they may litter, and they might have never spent a second at an adopt a crag day. To me, the way that some sport climbers totally eat up the time they get to spend with the rock establishes themselves among the ranks of "climbers". My mom and dad have both "gone climbing". They are not climbers however. Although I don't really care if I am in the esteemed "climber" stigma myself. I just like climbing, trad or sport, and nothing else matters.
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kalcario
Nov 9, 2004, 5:03 AM
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*And, it's especially hard to get into trad. climbing when you trad. climbers have an attitude about those of us who have only been in the gym. I keep hoping to meet somebody who'll take me out to some crag somewhere and show me the ropes, so to speak, but it never happens. I am hoping that this site will improve my chances.*
no one taught me anything - there were no other climbers at my high school, I put thousands of miles on the Greyhound bus before I was 18 years old, I would show up by myself at the crags and sometimes someone would climb with me, sometimes not...if you want it bad enough you don't make excuses.
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curt
Nov 9, 2004, 5:21 AM
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In reply to: no one taught me anything -
Indeed. Nor have you learned anything.
Curt
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kalcario
Nov 9, 2004, 5:28 AM
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*Indeed. Nor have you learned anything.*
Poser, you ain't paid 10 minutes worth of dues - shut the fucck up>
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clausti
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jakedatc
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In reply to: *take it to Ceuse and see what you can get up* this is fun... http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=12071
Yep.. how many pieces of gear did you place... nice of those bolts to be there huh?
In reply to: There are people on this earth who have gone trad climbing a few times, and may occassionaly go...but are they climbers? They don't devote themselves to the sport totally
I have a feeling that Dave graham devotes quite a bit of his life to the sport, but from what i know probably climbs 75% sport and bouldering
but he's not a climber.. just in the top 5 in the world..
Lisa Rands almost exclusively boulders.. but devotes her life to climbing... top 5 female climbers
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climbinginchico
Nov 9, 2004, 5:35 AM
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In reply to: [*poseur, *haven't, *f---] Our buddy kal gets noticeably drunker and less articulate with each posting. I propose a moment of silence for the passing of his intellect, and a round of applause for his extreme specialness. Join me now, freinds.
OWNED
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jookyhead
Nov 9, 2004, 5:43 AM
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I had quite a few witty comments rattling around in my head that were ready to be contributed to this thread, but as I type, I realize that I'm ready to go to bed. So I'll settle for a stfu kalcario. Goodnight.
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bluetrout
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In reply to: This has made me start looking at climbing as a whole. I am now convinced that gym climbing has torn the heart of climbing. What happened to climbing for the adventure, the rush of the unknown. On every piece of equipment we buy it says "climbing is inherently dangerous." Danger is adventure, adventure is why we climb. I have made a point of taking newbies trad climbing before sport climbing so they can feel the difference in freedom. To me it is mind altering. I just thought I would vent for a moment. Let me know if any of you have experience this phenomena.
That is why I like alpine so much.
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curt
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In reply to: *Indeed. Nor have you learned anything.* Poser, you ain't paid 10 minutes worth of dues - shut the fucck up>
Joe buddy, I have lead trad climbs you would have shit yourself on. You are merely a delusional sport homo who wants so desperately to believe that you are (or were) a real rock climber of any merit. Well, its your dream, pal--make it as big as you want.
By the way, why did all the JT locals call you "homo joe" back in the day? I never heard your side of the story.
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powen
Nov 9, 2004, 6:17 AM
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End the stupid debate:
climber
\Climb"er\, n. One who, or that which, climbs: (a) (Bot.) A plant that climbs. (b) (Zo["o]l.) A bird that climbs, as a woodpecker or a parrot.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
Mind you, this definition is from dictionary.com... Nowhere do I see, learn how to play with your nuts, master the alpine realm, lead 5.14 sport, boulder V-Crazy, hike up an f'ing tree... I also didn't notice anywhere it said that only climbing outside is real climbing... It's ALL f'ing climbing; indoor or outdoors.
That also doesn't mean you can't enjoy your particular brand of climbing more than another. Nobody except property owners are stopping you. Nor is the "fat old tradster" or the young punk hanging out in the gym. So go out, and do whatever floats your boat...
And (yawn) the debate is getting old...
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kalcario
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*So I'll settle for a stfu kalcario. Goodnight.*
ok, I'm out, g'nite.
...buurp
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sharpender
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In reply to: there are thousands of routes around the world that would be left unclimbed without bolts..
And there are thousands of sport routes that would have gone ground up except some weenie had to rap bolt it so it could be "fun" for everybody to climb. Basically, this sport climber stole a first ascent. In the process he denied all the following parties the chance to learn how to climb trad. Cause not all trad is cracks. Climbers need to learn how to climb to a stance from which to protect and many times that is well more than 6' from the last bolt. This skill and experience is being lost in this generation.
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clausti
Nov 9, 2004, 6:30 AM
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powen
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In reply to: ok, just for a fun change of pace... What can you protect that isn't a crack? or nice, deep pockets?
Horns, trees, ice, snow and really fat women.
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curt
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In reply to: ok, just for a fun change of pace... What can you protect that isn't a crack? or nice, deep pockets?
Pocket protectors are good. They keep ink stains from getting on your shirt.
Curt
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climbsomething
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Hmm. I'm taking the troll award away from the OP and giving it to kalcario!
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cantbuymefriends
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Jeebez! Everybody's so stuck up about who is and who is not allowed to wear the shiny "Real Climber(tm) Badge"...
If someone asks me, I don't say "I am a climber", I just say "I climb".
I scale rocks, (small) mountain walls, frozen icefalls, and, yes, plastic-enhanced plywood (The Horror! The Horror!) :lol:
And, if what I do, eats at your a$$ and takes away YOUR experience. Well, that's just something you have to deal with, right? Because I'm gonna climb what, where and how I want, and there's not a doggarn thing you can do about it. Aaaah, ain't life great!
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bouldering_fool
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reading this thread makes me not want to climb.
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viciado
Nov 9, 2004, 9:54 AM
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Don't stop climbing, just stop calling yourself a climber...
My grandmother used to say "You can call me anything you want but late for supper." The saying may be overused, but I think she was right.
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I think I'll just call myself a wannabe climber, this way the only way to go is up :)
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In reply to: It seems that the trad climbers that think they are holier than thou with their "when in doubt run it out.. back in da day" effing attitude are narrow minded climbers that dont accept the growth of the sport and are trying to hold onto a vision like grandparents talking about how they didnt have TV and cars and s---.
Who? Who are you talking about? Cause I don't see it. In fact, it is my opinion that the vast majority of trad-itudes are voiced by those who have less than 10 years in the sport. They aren't old school anything.
Cheers
DMT
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