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jumpingrock


May 27, 2005, 7:36 PM
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Hey looks like your nifty underlined thing is being a bit outta control:

from what would you have done ? Epic 1

It's kinda nasty to read...

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with a double rope, as long as you dont risk a factor 2, you can climb on a single line (of course, catching a fall on a 8ish millimeter line may be difficult to do....)

so, the only caveat to leading on the single line is to not fall before protection. 'Clipping!' is a common call to indicate to the belayer that you are about to pull up rope to make a clip.">clipping the first protection.">leader falls. In roped technical climbing, one climber moves at a time, while the other belays. The belayer must be securely attached to the the rock by means of protection devices (cams, nuts, bolts, pitons), or tied to an immovable object like a boulder or sturdy tree. The attachments are called collectively the "anchor." An ideal anchor relies on at least three bombproof attachment points. (See also belay.) ">anchor in the rock installed individually as a protection device, or with other bolts or protection devices as an protection.">leader falls. In roped technical climbing, one climber moves at a time, while the other belays. The belayer must be securely attached to the the rock by means of protection devices (cams, nuts, bolts, pitons), or tied to an immovable object like a boulder or sturdy tree. The attachments are called collectively the "anchor." An ideal anchor relies on at least three bombproof attachment points. (See also belay.) ">anchor. The bolt is a metal shaft 1/4 inch, 3/8 inch or 5/16 inch in diameter (common sizes), driven into a hole drilled by the climber, and equipped with a hanger to attach a carabiner. Generally, no one installs 1/4 inch bolts anymore, and because most of them are more than 25 years old, they should not be used when found. Occasionally they can be pried out by hand, or break under body weight.">bolt off protection. 'Clipping!' is a common call to indicate to the belayer that you are about to pull up rope to make a clip.">clipping into protection points on the way up. ">lead climber, or taking in rope for a follower, while he/she climbs, and of preventing rope from being paid out if the climber falls. Belaying allows a climber to fall and live to try again.

(2) n. - the place where a climber belays, and the protection.">leader falls. In roped technical climbing, one climber moves at a time, while the other belays. The belayer must be securely attached to the the rock by means of protection devices (cams, nuts, bolts, pitons), or tied to an immovable object like a boulder or sturdy tree. The attachments are called collectively the "anchor." An ideal anchor relies on at least three bombproof attachment points. (See also belay.) ">anchor is set up attaching the climber to the rock, normally at the beginning and end of each pitch. (See harness through which the rope is threaded for belaying. Its primary purpose is to create friction quickly in the event of a fall so the belayer can stop the rope, which stops the protection.">leader’s fall, simply by pulling against the device. The device creates a ‘hairpin’ turn in the rope at all times and allows the belayer to pay out or take in slack freely, and to stop or brake the rope in an instant. Common belay devices: ATC, GriGri, Sticht Plate">belay device. The place where a belayer sits, stands or hangs while belaying.">belay station.) Also, a session of belaying. ">belay.

however, it sounds like you made it through safely, doing what you believed to be the best/safest option you had. good job.


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FYI

In the Yosemite w/ a Down Bag thread there are certain words that are being underlined with a grey dotted line. Some are automatically changed to other words. Some have the original words at the end of the statement following a >. I don't know if it's occurring else where.


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May 27, 2005, 7:39 PM
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Yep, and the term 'bivouac' is messed up too.

Are these cute little definitions really necessary? I couldn't help but notice that you defined 'greasy' as slippery. Thanks, I was having trouble with that one.


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Yup, it just happened to me several times on the MASS CLIMBERS thread, and I was unable to edit the new text out. Looks like it happened to several other folks as well. A new random-text feature?


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This boat's going down.


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"hang" is odd, as well.


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OK good so it is not just me, that underline thing makes it very hard to read.


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You defined 'move' as well. I'm going to have to give you a W-T-F for that one.

Idea: Define all that internet lingo instead. WTF, YMMV, IMHO, FDA.


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just get rid of that "feature" please


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Terribly helpful isn't it? A climbing website that caters to people who don't climb.


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It looks like it's trying to insert definitions badly. I checked out a few threads, and some posts were almost impossible to read. It really breaks the flow, and I don't think it's all that necessary. Maybe there could be a more obvious link to the rc.com dictionary instead?

If management wants to insert definitions in the post, could they be provided at the bottom, or have a pop-up window if you scroll over the underlined sections? I don't think it's needed, but that would be less distracting.

I haven't been logging in much of late, so I don't know when this started. I can't imagine logging in much until this is resolved, either. I don't want to log on just to be annoyed (at least by bugs rather than people).


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May 27, 2005, 8:21 PM
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It started today or yesterday. Some of the popup definitions work fine and the underline is the only thing that is new in the posts. In other posts, the definition is working incorrectly and the information is showing in the post instead of in a popup window. It certainly does make some threads impossible to read.


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This is a test. This is only a test. . .

He grabbed a cam and stuck it into the deep, dark, crack. Fear was not an element as he could see her, um, er. . the jugs just 2 feet away, almost in reach.


mother_sheep


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AHAHA! How lame. :lol: It's a bug alright.

Nuts!


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AHAHA! How lame. :lol: It's a bug alright.

Nuts!

'Nuts' does not seem to be defined. Nor 'righteous jugs,' err, I mean 'jugs.'


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May 27, 2005, 9:30 PM
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just get rid of that "feature" please

I agree. At first I thought it was a cute thing that some savvy user figured out how to do... but now that I realize it is automatic, it is annoying. And not always accurate. For example, "hike" is not correct in most contexts. Not many people on this site have the nads to say they "hiked" something... and even if they did, it would be in the past tense and definition wouldn't work anyway.


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keee-rist. This is what happens when I take suggestions.

There were a bunch of old definitions that someone suggested we import from the old climbing terms ''feature''. It wasn't until they were imported that I noticed a lot of them were idiotically obvious. As in, about 75%. I pruned out (by hand, which sucked) most of them. The point of the thing was to have definitions injected for obscure or cryptic terms, not to underline every 'the' and 'move' and 'open' in every post.

Nota bene: one of the most-bitched-about things on this site is people asking (for the 10,000th time) what a drop knee is or what foo to wear with bar.

I am unconvinced that the light gray underlines inserted into posts where a definition is encountered are going to spell the end of the world. Kindly un-wad your panties. The other gobblydegook being inserted was, obviously, a bug, which had to be fixed. It didn't show up in testing because there weren't any terms that overlapped. :-?

I'm out of here for the weekend, in any case.


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I am unconvinced that the light gray underlines inserted into posts where a definition is encountered are going to spell the end of the world. Kindly un-wad your panties. The other gobblydegook being inserted was, obviously, a bug, which had to be fixed. It didn't show up in testing because there weren't any terms that overlapped. :-?

I'm out of here for the weekend, in any case.

Now that I can see how it's supposed to function, I have no beef whatsoever. I'll gladly check out some of the other problematic threads and catch what I missed earlier. Thanks for the debugging and have a good weekend.


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Terribly helpful isn't it? A climbing website that caters to people who don't climb.
What, is this something new? 8-)


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wow...and i thought i was talkative before...now the site is making it even worse!!! :evil:


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How about the ability for us to toggle it on/off in our profiles? I admit that it would be very helpful for those who don't know what many of the terms mean but for those of us who do I think it will get very annoying.


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How about posting up the list of defined words (so I can avoid using them should I choose)? There may be times when this auto-definition stuff is OK, but there may be times when it isn't.

Or about about just including an html tag and maybe a global switch in a user's profile to enable or disable. Leave it up to the original author in other words, rather than assuming one size fits all?

Cheers
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How about posting up the list of defined words (so I can avoid using them should I choose)? There may be times when this auto-definition stuff is OK, but there may be times when it isn't.

Or how about about just including an html tag and maybe a global switch in a user's profile to enable or disable. Leave it up to the original author in other words, rather than assuming one size fits all?

Cheers
DMT


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Sorry, but only moderators can delete posts in this forum.


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One obvious problem with this is that the definitions do not correspond with context. For example in the Closure of Oak Flat thread I used the word crater to define an actual crater in the surface of the earth. The definition tool says I mean something about falling and hitting the ground--which is totally incorrect.

Curt

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