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vaness
Jan 3, 2002, 12:54 AM
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do indoor bouldering problems count for first asents cuz ya know its not really rock..and you can have so many different routes on just one wall. and you can change the holds around and stuff yeah so do you guys count them?
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pianomahnn
Jan 3, 2002, 6:52 AM
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First ascent? I don't think so. The rights to that problem, yes. Reason being, you've used the holds before, you know what they are. In a first ascent, you don't know what the holds are, and you've never used them.
Granted, just because you've used a hold on a different route and turned a different way doesn't make it easier, it's just not a "true" first ascent.
Indoor climbing and outdoor climbing ARE two totally different animals, so I guess new rules should be formed...
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kriso9tails
Jan 4, 2002, 6:58 AM
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I think two other factors are that it's artificial (environmen, not climbing), and that it's impermanent.
FA refers to a specific line rather than a specific sequence of holds. If you resequenced and old boulder problem outdoors that would not be an FA. Because the holds are always being rearranged there can be no true first ascent. That doesn't make too much sense in the way I've written it up, but trust me, it works out.
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vaness
Jan 4, 2002, 11:46 PM
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i agree with you guys too...i dont think it counts either i was just wondering what you guys thought.
its more like you make a route and its your route till the holds get re arranged. i guess i cant explain what im trying to say so forget it.
vanessa
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bigwalling
Jan 4, 2002, 11:54 PM
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No way. That would mean I could go in my just go and put up some holds on the wall I have in my garage and call it a F.A. that would be cool but also kind of lame. That means everyone who has put up a route an a fake wall would have a F.A. and there always changing the holds.
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