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sul-pont
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Obviously not for the masterpoint, but in other parts of an anchor configuation (slings, bolts, cordelette, etc.), instead of straight-gate D biners?
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shakylegs
Feb 18, 2005, 7:10 PM
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Don't see why not. I use 'em but, as you said, not as the masterpoint.
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taino
Feb 18, 2005, 7:12 PM
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No disadvantage.
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climb_high4life
Feb 18, 2005, 7:15 PM
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I don't see any disadvantage over wire gates. Just make sure that they're opposing and you should be good.
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enjoimx
Feb 23, 2005, 5:34 AM
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Whats so bad about using them as the masterpoint?
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abraxas
Feb 23, 2005, 5:39 AM
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In reply to: Whats so bad about using them as the masterpoint?
Correct. No problem there either, as long as they are opposite and opposed.
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abraxas
Feb 23, 2005, 5:40 AM
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In reply to: Masterpoint needs to be a locker
Wrong.
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anykineclimb
Feb 23, 2005, 5:40 AM
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Masterpoint needs to be a locker
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abraxas
Feb 23, 2005, 5:41 AM
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In reply to: Masterpoint needs to be a locker
Wrong.
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vegastradguy
Feb 23, 2005, 6:14 AM
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a powerpoint can be either a locker or two non-lockers opposite and opposed.
wiregates can be used for anything you want to use 'em for.
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abraxas
Feb 23, 2005, 6:23 AM
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In reply to: Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker. Better?
much better.
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anykineclimb
Feb 23, 2005, 6:23 AM
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Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.
Better?
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abraxas
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In reply to: Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker. Better?
Yes, much better.
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kalcario
Feb 23, 2005, 6:26 AM
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*Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.
Better?*
I guess...but I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...
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abraxas
Feb 23, 2005, 6:33 AM
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In reply to: *Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker. Better?* I guess...but I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...
Me too.
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gamehendge
Feb 23, 2005, 7:10 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: *Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker. Better?* I guess...but I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker... Me too.
two opposed one locker and one wiregate is what i find ideal. And I prefer using wiregates on everything especially on the rope end of a draw/sling. Much easier to clip into.
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jackhammer
Feb 23, 2005, 10:51 AM
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no disadvantage...might even be a little stronger than straight gate biners
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dirtineye
Feb 23, 2005, 12:36 PM
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In reply to: ... I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...
There's at least one really clever good reason for this.
Anyone who doesn't know why want to take a guess?
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tisar
Feb 23, 2005, 12:46 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: ... I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker... There's at least one really clever good reason for this. Anyone who doesn't know why want to take a guess?
... rather ... 2 ... instead ... one ...
:?:
- Daniel
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adamwvt
Feb 23, 2005, 1:41 PM
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Just a stab, but two is better, because you are all set up to haul with a garda hitch if need be.
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azrockclimber
Feb 23, 2005, 2:01 PM
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gotta be a locker to be the safest..however I have used a wire gate to clip into sport anchors many times. Personal choice and level of safety desired
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michelleh
Feb 23, 2005, 2:08 PM
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Before saying anything, I do NOT trad climb. However, the only place that I have heard where it is better not to use a wiregate is when using nuts as they need a much smaller opening to be unclipped (due to the width of the wire).
Any comments?
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vegastradguy
Feb 23, 2005, 2:45 PM
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i've had it happen- almost lost half my stoppers when they worked out of one of my ovalwires. other folks havent had any problems at all....so, who knows.
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illimaniman
Feb 23, 2005, 3:13 PM
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Yeah, I would say don't rack your nuts on a wiregate carabiner, as there is a risk of them working their way off of the biner. As for using a wiregate biner on the pro end of your draw, I've never done it and don't know what the possibility is of it coming undone.
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neurostar
Feb 23, 2005, 10:45 PM
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Isn't there less of an issue with gate flutter when using wiregate 'biners?
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