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sierrasnowsurfer
Mar 3, 2005, 7:21 PM
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Whats up.I just recently started aiding huge pine trees that have no branches with eye screws..I was wondering if anyone else has tried this or if im just crazy..I havn't fallen on one yet but they hold body wieght great.The biggest tree ive done was about 200ft.so let me know if anyone has done anything simlar..its great to keep in "aid" shape in the winter.
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lightandfast
Mar 3, 2005, 7:45 PM
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lucky tree
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mattm
Mar 3, 2005, 7:59 PM
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In reply to: Whats up.I just recently started aiding huge pine trees that have no branches with eye screws..I was wondering if anyone else has tried this or if im just crazy..I havn't fallen on one yet but they hold body wieght great.The biggest tree ive done was about 200ft.so let me know if anyone has done anything simlar..its great to keep in "aid" shape in the winter. How I got my start... (Wasn't old enough to drive anywhere) Used 16p nails with rivet hangers to spice it up - modified a lot of swing set gear so I had bird beaks and "u-pitons" for overhangs. I only used the eye bolts for rapping off the top. I actually used metolius hangers with 3/8 x 3in SS LAG SCREWS for pro. You can use a socket wrench to put them in and take them out and the hole is less messy on removal which is nicer for the tree. I even left little film cans attached to the top eye bolts as a "summit register" sad i know but hey, i was 14
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lucas_timmer
Mar 3, 2005, 8:10 PM
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I know you can climb big trees just like ice, you can hammer your axes in them, kick your crampons in them and put your ice screws in them to secure yourself.I've climbed on a wooden wall with axes and crampons before, so wy shouldn't you be able to climb trees that way ???
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skinner
Mar 3, 2005, 8:29 PM
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When I was 13, my buddy's father owned a lawn mower repair shop. We tied up a brutal looking set of aiders out of marine nylon and with a sack full of old lawnmower blades in hand, we nailed our way up every telephone pole and wooded structure we could find, clipping into the blades with our (2) one-pound steel biners. (our entire rack). http://www.netspy.net/...ing/fx/lawnblade.jpg Finding creative ways to stay in shape off season is a great idea, just not sure how much the trees appreciate your bolted/screwed routes :wink:
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easton
Mar 3, 2005, 9:02 PM
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Check out Challenge Course sites for more info. Lag Eye Screws are not rated to hold a fall, especially not in pine which is soft. Will they hold? Probably, but they are not designed for it. If you are on TR belay, you'll be fine, and you can get by with staples. These also harm the tree less than a lag bolt. Challenge Courses use Nut Eye Bolts drilled all the way through the tree, with a back up for any belay attachment. These would not be 'handy' to place while leading to say the least. I know, everyone will say leave the tree alone, and I agree for the most part. Just learning aid is probably not worth the potential damage. Trees will heal, and you likely won't kill it by screwing in a few bolts, but drive a little farther and work on stone.
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mcfoley
Mar 3, 2005, 9:04 PM
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GAY...LAME...BORING
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gunksgoer
Mar 3, 2005, 9:05 PM
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my partner (jerseyclimber) bolted an 8 or 10 bolt ladder up his tree, with a rap station at the top of the ladder on the first big branch. it goes at about 5.11- A0, we cant do it without stepping on the bolts. its relatively entertaining when im at his place before a day of climbing or whatever, but the tree has been growing alot and its starting to grow over a couple of the eyebolts, some need to be slung instead of clipped. i cleaned my first aid pitch on it :D im not sure exactly what bolts he used and how he put them in, but theyre really heavy duty and in there real well. ropes courses use stuf like that all the time, if theyre in well theyre fine.
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mattm
Mar 3, 2005, 9:25 PM
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In reply to: GAY...LAME...BORING
In reply to: GAY...LAME...BORING What a poor insult - I've seen much better. I'll tackle this one since I'm in a sporting mood today "GAY" - this smacks of 14 year old football locker room insults. "Lame" - implies weakness which is really what the above insult is... "Boring" - this implies uninteresting which, since it's climbing related, it probably is not, thus the need to expound on your argument. Boring could apply to big wall belay duties or watching an EXPN comp but since this actually INVOLVES DOING SOMETHING - boring seems like a cop out insult. Overall - a poor attempt at an insult at a place where it's truly an art form
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mattm
Mar 3, 2005, 9:26 PM
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In reply to: GAY...LAME...BORING What a poor insult - I've seen much better. I'll tackle this one since I'm in a sporting mood today "GAY" - this smacks of 14 year old football locker room insults. "Lame" - implies weakness which is really what the above insult is... "Boring" - this implies uninteresting which, since it's climbing related, it probably is not, thus the need to expound on your argument. Boring could apply to big wall belay duties or watching an EXPN comp but since this actually INVOLVES DOING SOMETHING - boring seems like a cop out insult. Overall - a poor attempt at an insult at a place where it's truly an art form
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sierrasnowsurfer
Mar 4, 2005, 1:06 AM
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thats pretty hardcore.
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sierrasnowsurfer
Mar 4, 2005, 1:08 AM
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sorry about the confusion..my last post was to skinner about lawn bladeing up tele polls
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sierrasnowsurfer
Mar 4, 2005, 1:20 AM
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for those of you that felt sorry for the tree let me justify myself..I used a total of 10 eye screws(in the aid section,the rest had branches) that each measured about 16 cm long..there diameter was only about 1 cm V= 3.14(.5cm)(.5cm) x 16 = 12.56 cm squared for each screw thats only 125.6 square cm displaced from the tree...this thing was 160+ ft .I think compareing that to the damage we do to the rain forest each year i feel justifyed.. So yeah..dont get me wrong I love trees Peace
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olympicmtnboy
Mar 6, 2005, 7:35 PM
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Here's one for ya that won't hurt the tree; try girth hitching a sling around it, clip into that, throw another sling around a bit higher, clean your old sling and move up again. You won't get really high unless you retie your slings for the tree diameter, but it works great, and you're always clipped into really solid pro the whole way up. I did my first aid climb that way on a tree.
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jeremy11
Mar 11, 2005, 4:52 AM
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I second the girth hitching. I have done some pretty goofy stuff on trees in my days with very litttle gear (including a six biner brake rappel with only four biners on webbing!) I will need to girth hitch aid up a couple trees for a midline (slackline high enough up to need a leash and redundant setup but not as crazy as real highlines)
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horseonwheels
Mar 16, 2005, 8:24 PM
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I know we've already been over the damage to the tree, so don't think I'm a crazed eco-lunatic watching out for the rights of moss or anything. However, the girth hitch idea is the best. If you do nail or screw into the tree, it is actually better for the tree to remove the nails or screws after you are done instead of leaving them for the next time. When you bore into the tree you have the possibility of introducing disease to the tree. If you remove the hardware, the tree has a chance to sap out the disease. Just a thought for all of you hardcore tree-aiders.
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treenail
Mar 26, 2005, 4:35 AM
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Are you ready for some feedback from an arborist? Poking holes in trees is not good. If your object is to get into the canopy of the tree there are better ways. Here's the basic idea. Arbos use throwlines and throwbags to set lines in trees. The throwline I use is 1.75mm Spectra. The same line is used by kitesails. The throwbag is a small pouch filled with lead shot that has a metal loop on one end. The bag is thrown into the tree using an underhand toss. I know arbos who can accurately throw up to 90' with accuracy, hitting 20" diameter targets. There is also a tool called a Big Shot. Think of wrist rocket on steroids. After the throwline is set in a decent branch union or over a stought limb a larger climbing line is pulled up. I use 7/19" KM III for ascent line. For a full description of the way I setup an SRT system go to my webpage and look in the Articles section. http://www.treebuzz.com/ If you want to see other arbo gear, look at the gear that Fresco and Sherrill sell, they're sponsors and have links on the page. If you want to learn more about tree climbing, get a copy of The Tree Climber's Companion by Jeff Jepson. If you do choose to set anchors in the tree you're putting yourself at risk. You have no clue how strong the anchors are in shear. Screws are meant to hold a load along their axis not a lead fall.
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