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jcshaggy
Jul 1, 2005, 10:38 AM
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Sibusiso Vilane, a Swazi game ranger, speaks about difficulties he faced on his second summit on Everest. Interesting part is that he was struggling with the descent and bumped into a sherpa, offering him $100 for his help, but the sherpa wanted $150. His money was at base camp so the sherpa abandoned him. Luckily he did get help and made it back safely. Interesting story.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=vn20050701112922259C797136
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drrock
Jul 1, 2005, 12:04 PM
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michelleh
Jul 1, 2005, 12:20 PM
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Sibosiso was the first black mountaineer to summit Everest. But that doesn't make him experienced, just a determined guy from an underprivileged background that has found a way to achieve his dream.
Maybe he shouldn't have been there. But with the number of guided tourists on Everest, the only difference I see between him and other summitters is that he is on a trip, not as a paying customer, but as a member. Maybe the problem lies in a combination of lack of experience and high expectations?
Kudos to him for achieving a second successful Everest summit in a profession characterised by a lack of black participants.
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bigjonnyc
Jul 1, 2005, 1:08 PM
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Interesting he's Swazi, my parents spent 4 years in Swaziland in the Peace Corp.
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adnix
Jul 1, 2005, 1:30 PM
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In reply to: Interesting part is that he was struggling with the descent and bumped into a sherpa, offering him $100 for his help, but the sherpa wanted $150. His money was at base camp so the sherpa abandoned him. |
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leon0tron
Jul 1, 2005, 1:39 PM
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In reply to: Interesting he's Swazi, my parents spent 4 years in Swaziland in the Peace Corp.
Wow, that's an amazing coincidence. What are the odds!!! You should write a book about this.
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jcshaggy
Jul 1, 2005, 2:13 PM
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Hey adnix, the guy isn't some rich bastard-he's a game ranger(they don't earn that much money). Check your facts before make such assumptions.
He was actually trying to raise awareness and funds for worthwhile charities in South Africa and Swaziland. He was also part of a team-not your typical "I conquered Everest" tourist.
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crotch
Jul 1, 2005, 4:59 PM
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Cash is king.
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dingus
Jul 1, 2005, 5:02 PM
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Do they take American Express?
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wjca
Jul 1, 2005, 5:06 PM
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In reply to: Do they take American Express? DMT
I can imagine the mad rush of climbers punching holes into the useless parts of their credit cards to save weight.
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tempestwind
Jul 2, 2005, 9:07 PM
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A bunch of smart arses here eh? You can't let one sherpa make a bad name for all of the others....
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organic
Jul 3, 2005, 12:04 AM
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If only my climbing partners paid me for the pitches I led for them!
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dirtineye
Jul 3, 2005, 12:36 AM
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In reply to: If only my climbing partners paid me for the pitches I led for them!
OMG, that's fucking brilliant!!!!
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theflyingsquirrel
Jul 3, 2005, 1:34 AM
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no shit... a black mountainer wow i've never heard of such a thing.. im not kidding either.. no im not racist i've just never heard of any black mountain climbers
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veganboyjosh
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i don't see the problem. i mean, the sherpa was up there to work, right? he was doing a job, and wanted to make sure he got paid.
granted, the consequences of this sherpa not helping were more dire than a taxi cab not picking me up cos "my money's at home, i'll pay you when we get there..." but that's part of the gamble of being on mt freakin everest.
if i'm on the mountain, having serious/dire problems getting down, and the sherpa names a price, i'll damn sure tell him what ever it takes to get my ass down, whether there's money at the camp or not. will i feel guilty about lying to this guide in order to have him save my life? prolly not as bad as my family would have felt if i hadn't lied.
am i completely off base?
(i've never used a guide service, not pretend to have. i could be way off base about this, and misunderstand some grave thing that makes my p.o.v. completely irrelavent).
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graniteboy
Jul 8, 2005, 10:01 PM
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Yes, Sherpa abandons climber. Person from poor African country and little mountaineering experience manages to summit a big peak. Kudos for summiting. Glad he's alive.
Person living in a poor country like Nepal does things like risk his live on mountains to feed his families at a near subsistence level.
And we, of course, sit in judgement of all this.
Then we have People from rich country with nothing to do but yammer around on the internet about this situation.....when's the last time you had to carry a rich white person's pack to make a living? Think it might cloud your humanity a little??
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Jul 9, 2005, 4:30 AM
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The word abandon implies that the sherpa had some obligation to help the climber, and that by refusing to assist Vilane without payment, the sherpa somehow neglected that obligation.
Poor choice of words by Vilane, and poor reporting by Ms Breytenbach, IMHO.
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Jul 9, 2005, 6:13 AM
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Favorite chunk of rock or big mountain.one must train in order to confront all obstacles.If it`s going to be ,it`s up to me!!More climbers need to remember this.Old school ISSSS New school.Train,train,train.
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jcshaggy
Jul 11, 2005, 7:15 AM
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You've got to love some of the stereotypes floating around on this thread. Point is, if the article is accurate-the guy wanted more money to save a fellow human being.
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In reply to: the guy wanted more money to save a fellow human being.
Not to save, but to help another guy down sooner. The guy got down ok once *his* sherpas came back to get him so obviously his life wasn't in that great danger.
Guess Everest is still one of those places on earth where people can name there price, but you're expected to pay cash on the spot!!!!
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karlbaba
Jul 11, 2005, 2:31 PM
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When you only get one sentence of one side of a story, it's just silly to draw conclusions. Add to that the exhaustion and language barrier, who knows what happened? Jumping to conclusions would be a sign of total naivety. Look at the "he said, she said" of that last Everest disaster.
Who knows what happened and why.
Peace
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dingus
Jul 13, 2005, 12:56 AM
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Still and all, it may be prudent for would-be Everest summiters to take their well padded money clips with them on the summit attempt. Just another piece of kit, like a rap device or snow pickets. Money is pro.
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