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thetroutscout
Jun 25, 2005, 8:44 AM
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I'm looking to get rid of my old clunky, heavy trad draws and I'm looking at some new lightweight possibilities. I like both the nano and superfly biners and I have a few DMM/WC 10mm runners I love. I can get some nanos at a steal. What do others use? How do these new thin runners wear over time? Any place I can get a set of runners at a deal? Thanks ^^ike
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csgambill
Jun 25, 2005, 9:22 AM
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I use wild country 10 mm spectra slings with OP Doval biners. They work well. I could get lighter slings and biners, but the extra weight doesn't bother me. The wiregates are nice and easy to clip. If you find any good deals on spectra let me know. I recently saw that Fixe Hardware had some sort of a sale on runners, but I dont remember the specifics.
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overzealous
Jun 25, 2005, 1:36 PM
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I love the Mammut 8mm, Dyneema slings. I'm not sure how much weight I save with them, but the savings in bulk on my rack is great. I do need to get some lighter biners though, split between superflys, heliums and neutrinos.
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slobmonster
Jun 25, 2005, 2:31 PM
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In reply to: I use wild country 10 mm spectra slings .... Where did you find these? Though I have some mammut slings, every time I lose or misplace one of my (several years old, now) Wild Country slings, a tear falls from my eye. The ones I have are 22", a length that works a lot better for me than 24"... they don't slide off my wimpy rounded shoulders.
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cardiffclimber
Jun 25, 2005, 2:38 PM
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The 8mm Dyneema slings are a definite reduction in bulk and I'm sure in weight too. I have both the 24" and 48" on my rack. They wear as well as any so far. I also use BD Wiregate Ovals, a compromise between weight and cost.
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eyecannon
Jun 25, 2005, 6:04 PM
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Superfly's + 8mm dyneema = love Or use the newer Nano's for even more weight saving. Also carry a few "normal" slings for rough/sharp edges.
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petsfed
Jun 25, 2005, 6:25 PM
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Quickwires (can't get'em anymore) on one end, Trango Classic wires on the other end, 8mm Mammut sling. Good system and the crabs aren't so small as to be inoperable with many slings and/or gloves.
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hosh
Jun 25, 2005, 6:56 PM
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Mammut Dyneema 8mm slings w/ BD neutrino biners. those draws are sweet. But to each, their own, right? hosh.
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csgambill
Jun 25, 2005, 7:32 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I use wild country 10 mm spectra slings .... Where did you find these? Though I have some mammut slings, every time I lose or misplace one of my (several years old, now) Wild Country slings, a tear falls from my eye. The ones I have are 22", a length that works a lot better for me than 24"... they don't slide off my wimpy rounded shoulders. I actually got them at my gym. Not to rub it in or anything but I also got 20% off! :lol: I use 48" runners, but I'm kooky like that.
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climbinginchico
Jun 25, 2005, 7:37 PM
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I would go with a Nanowire on the pro end, and a hotwire on the rope end. I looooooove the clipping of the hotwire. So smooth. Never had the honor of clipping a helium, if I liked the action, the 12 grams might be worth it for rope end. Edit: The 8mm Mammut sling doesnt need to be said does it? My personal draws have hotwires on both ends. Gold for pro, red for rope.
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smearhound
Jun 27, 2005, 5:24 PM
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I use BD Hotwires on Mammut 8mm Dyneema slings for about half of my draws when trad climbing (the other half are BD Hotwires on 8" dogbones). The small slings are compact and light, the Hotwires are pretty light and easy to clip. The Hotwires are anodized so I can quickly distinguish between trad draws and dogbones. I haven’t handled the Nanos but I found the Superflys to be too small and the gate on the Heliums to be too stiff.
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pbjosh
Jun 27, 2005, 5:53 PM
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$10 for the heliums is silly IMHO. So is more than about $3/sling. Do you guys really think the weight is going to make that much difference? Save the money and buy some offset nuts or hybrid aliens, or buy your girlfriend some flowers. Sheesh, the number of 5.9 climbers who count grams kills me. I don't know a single person who climbs 5.12 or harder who worries about weight to that degree. If anything, just carry less gear. Carrying 8 oz less water will save you more weight than replacing every carabiner on your rack. Taking a good dump before you climb will save you even more weight.
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scottd
Jul 4, 2005, 5:18 PM
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pbjosh speaks the truth....Unless you can climb 5.13-14 then weight isn't going to make a damn bit of difference. Maybe you should stop wearing underwear too..... :roll: :roll:
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vegastradguy
Jul 4, 2005, 5:59 PM
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i dunno, i currently use helium carabiners and 8mm Mammut draws. When i made the switch to these draws, i shaved about 3.5lbs off my rack weight...which isnt a huge deal during the climb, but its a pretty nice savings for the approach and descent. i could carry less water, but in RR that's a bad thing in the summer. i could carry less gear, but first ascents tend to inspire me to carry a little extra rather than a little less. of course, it was also fairly expensive, but i guess that's my call to make. at any rate, i'm happy with my gear, and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters.
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renohandjams
Jul 5, 2005, 7:29 PM
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In reply to: I do need to get some lighter biners though, split between superflys, heliums and neutrinos. I own a rack of the superfly draws and some heliums, after several months of use between the two I prefer the heliums because of the shape and size. I took two pictures to compare, they don't really show what I wanted, you notice it when you're leading. (helium dark, superfly light) http://www.tradrack.com/biner1.jpg http://www.tradrack.com/biner2.jpg TradRack.com SuperStore Free Email Accounts, yourname@TradRack.com, only 70 left to give Click here to see if your name is available
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