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nefarius
Nov 18, 2005, 12:20 AM
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Nope, this isn't even about content this time...
For months now, on the occasion I do come here, this site has been HORRIBLE!!!! Taking minutes to load each page at times! This is true when accessing from multiple locations, different computers, etc. It's also true of each page on the site...
What gives? For example, right now it just took about 5 minutes, to login, go to the forums page and open up a page for a new post... All the while I was able to view other sites in a different browser window, which were loading fine. Sad! Really sad, man....
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bensnyder
Nov 18, 2005, 12:43 AM
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Maybeyou need a new ISP - I'm not having this problem...
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paganmonkeyboy
Nov 18, 2005, 12:45 AM
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i see this a bit too
database issues perhaps ? network congestion at the isp ? not enough iron on the back end ?
I kicked my 20 bucks down last time it got real bad, I'm willing to bet it's a resource issue when they have all these users and not enough time/money/people to manage the site...
ymmv...
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paganmonkeyboy
Nov 18, 2005, 12:47 AM
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In reply to: Maybeyou need a new ISP - I'm not having this problem...
when i see it drag it seems to be restricted to rc.com - i'll hit a bunch of other sites just to see if it is the network, and never get the same hang...
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goofyc
Nov 18, 2005, 12:48 AM
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Could be your computer or it could be the time you log into the site. Lots of times if there are alot of people in the site the site will go slower. When I have difficulty loading the site or any site, I have found that if I close the browser and open a new window it speeds up the process. Just a suggestion. :) P
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nefarius
Nov 18, 2005, 1:00 AM
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To add a few more things...
First, being a network engineer, working on a T1, direct to desk, backed up by a 3.0mb DSL circuit, I'm willing to wager it's not a line problem. Especially when it only affects this one, single site.
I'm certain that I agree with paganmonkeyboy. It's site related, either to RC's database or ISP-related/bandwidth issues for them. I just wanted to get it out there and stir it up a bit, as it's frustrating as hell!
The last hour, as I've come back and forth, it's been *really* hit and miss. One minute it's takin' minutes to load a page, the next, it's crankin' right along like a legitimate site!
Cheers!
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paganmonkeyboy
Nov 18, 2005, 1:03 AM
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In reply to: ... I have found that if I close the browser and open a new window it speeds up the process...
web server, app tier, or database...the finger of accusation has been pointed...
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rufusandcompany
Nov 18, 2005, 1:04 AM
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It happens to me regularly, and only with this sight.
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attitude0521
Nov 18, 2005, 1:06 AM
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well... I am not an IT person and I have limit knowledge of computer.. but I am using this site great... sometime it takes longer to load the page but not all the time... and that happened to all other website from time to time as well....but that is my 2 cents of thought :)
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climbingnurse
Nov 18, 2005, 1:11 AM
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I have noticed the same problems... And haven't complained about it because I am grateful that I am allowed to use this site for free. Now, if I was a paying customer, I might make some noise, but I'm not.
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bensnyder
Nov 18, 2005, 1:13 AM
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In reply to: I have noticed the same problems... And haven't complained about it because I am grateful that I am allowed to use this site for free. Now, if I was a paying customer, I might make some noise, but I'm not.
Good atitude! People shouldn't take RC.com for granted!
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moose_droppings
Nov 18, 2005, 1:19 AM
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Same troubles here. Sometimes I get on in a sec. others it takes a few minutes. No problem though, got others things i can do.
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nefarius
Nov 18, 2005, 1:24 AM
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Hmmm... I'd disagree with that attitude, actually. MOST forums are free. The forums that do charge are typicllay only charging for things that directly affect their cost. Things such as hosting of photos. Users choosing not to use those services can join and post for free, etc... Even then, most forums do not charge.
If RC presumes that they can start charging people, this site would become defunct soon thereafter. There are other climbing forums, which work remarkably well, that are just as, if not more, popular. As incredibly easy as it is, these days, to create and run a forum, I don't really see it as our *privelage* to be here. There are too many alternatives.
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bensnyder
Nov 18, 2005, 1:27 AM
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Ok. Then use one of those alternatives and quit bitching. Duh...
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rufusandcompany
Nov 18, 2005, 1:40 AM
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In reply to: Not part of the solution?... f--- off.Mark
Maybe comments like these are why he feels that way. That was uncalled for.
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mr8615
Nov 18, 2005, 1:44 AM
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Sorry if you're offended, I just can't stand it when people sit around and criticize rather than becoming an active part of fixing the problems they PERSONALLY have with the site.
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roy_hinkley_jr
Nov 18, 2005, 1:45 AM
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Nefarious is right, this site has major infrastructure problems that have been ongoing for a LONG time.
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bensnyder
Nov 18, 2005, 1:47 AM
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Flame war!
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paganmonkeyboy
Nov 18, 2005, 1:48 AM
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yet oddly enough
it's been snappy here all night...
(push out the jive people...bring in the love...)
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memory_hole
Nov 18, 2005, 1:50 AM
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I agree with the OPer. I've never seen the extremely long load times that I get with RC.com on any other websites. There's clearly something wrong here.
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mr8615
Nov 18, 2005, 1:56 AM
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I bet if everyone who thinks the site is too slow and has major problems donated 10 minutes worth of their time and/or money to make it better, or just stopped logging on and posting, it would be plenty fast.
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goofyc
Nov 18, 2005, 1:59 AM
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In reply to: I bet if everyone who thinks the site is too slow and has major problems donated 10 minutes worth of their time and/or money to make it better, or just stopped logging on and posting, it would be plenty fast.
Here Here, now here is a person who knows what they are talking about! 8^)
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rufusandcompany
Nov 18, 2005, 2:00 AM
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In reply to: or just stopped logging on and posting, it would be plenty fast.
....and plenty boring.
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tim
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The reason it's snappy at night is that the load is vastly reduced. We do a large multiple of the number of hits that most other sites in our market, put together, do in a day. As in, getting ever closer to a million hits per day.
We do this on two 1999-vintage webservers and a fairly decent database server which, unfortunately, runs MySQL. And on top of MySQL runs phpBB, which is not the most efficient forum software ever created. Until very recently it was destined to stay this way because the titular owner of the site was working 100 hours a week at his new startup, but remained uninterested in converting the business to an LLC, so capital expenditures were limited to what people paid for Supporting Partnerships. That, unfortunately, is not sufficient to scale out our hardware enough to match our loads. And I was unwilling to throw my money away, or ask anyone else to do so, in the support of someone else's for-profit venture.
Since the owners of Dropzone invested in the site, I have been working with their technical guy to figure out how best to speed things up and consolidate the infrastructure. If all goes well, we may begin to migrate by the end of the year. Dropzone's machines are faster, more numerous, and better connected than ours (just visit the site if you want to compare: http://www.dropzone.com/), so the logical course of action is to use them and add our one modern server into the mix. If you want to influence the migration, take a look at Dropzone's forum software, and compile a list of differences between its functionality and ours. Then post up if there are any differences that you feel are showstoppers.
Our infrastructure problems have been ongoing because the site has remained very popular in spite of them. I'm not thrilled about the situation either, but there does now appear to be a light at the end of the tunnel. Meanwhile, some of the best climbing photographers on the planet routinely submit shots (free) for the front page, John Long and Chris McNamara put up TR's, and the rambling wreck continues to putter along.
I'm not sure whether to be proud of this, or horrified...
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