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porcelainsunset
Nov 28, 2005, 9:21 PM
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I got a random question for you all, is there any difference between rocks and nuts? I know that a lot of companies like BD ABC and Trango refer to their simple passive wire stoppers as Nuts, while other companies like Wild Country refer to them as rocks. Is this just a wording preference, or dose it refer to something like the way or style that a stopper is tapered or shaped?
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iconaddict
Nov 28, 2005, 9:30 PM
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Nuts are what help you climb rocks :wink:
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kobaz
Nov 28, 2005, 9:43 PM
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nuts, stoppers, rocks, they are all references to chunks of metal shoved into a crack for passive protection. Rocks is just WC's brand name for their stoppers.
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cedk
Nov 28, 2005, 10:15 PM
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In reply to: Rocks is just WC's brand name for their stoppers.
He's right. Just like "stoppers" is the BD brand name for their nuts.
Rocks are pretty nice by the way. Seems like the #7 goes everywhere.
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tattooed_climber
Nov 29, 2005, 12:37 AM
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lets throw the name 'chock' in there too
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jimfix
Nov 29, 2005, 12:59 AM
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In reply to: lets throw the name 'chock' in there too
Well now we're being pedantic. Of course there is also wedges.
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hosh
Nov 29, 2005, 1:03 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Rocks is just WC's brand name for their stoppers. He's right. Just like "stoppers" is the BD brand name for their nuts. Rocks are pretty nice by the way. Seems like the #7 goes everywhere.
yup. mine saved me from a pretty nice whipper. It was only 15 feet but would have been more if that #7 had pulled... more like, 30(?) plus decking on a small ledge on the way down then falling some more. WC rocks are sweet.
hosh.
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tattooed_climber
Nov 29, 2005, 1:11 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: lets throw the name 'chock' in there too Well now we're being pedantic. Of course there is also wedges.
:P
ahem.....'Wire'
your turn! :D
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blakester
Nov 29, 2005, 1:26 AM
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"taper"
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dutyje
Nov 29, 2005, 1:42 AM
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A good trad rack will contain one set each of nuts, wires, rocks, tapers, chocks, and stoppers. Some will say you need doubles in the larger sizes, but I find that to be overkill :P
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dingus
Nov 29, 2005, 1:47 AM
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Here ya go!
http://www.needlesports.com/...museum/nutsstory.htm
In reply to: In 1972, Chouinard increased his hardware line with a set of seven Stoppers which were to be the subject of many improvements during the following years and become in the USA, the reference for the pyramidal nut.
In reply to: Let's come back to England where, in a small village in the Peak District, Mark Vallance, creator of Wild Country, improved considerably the most classic pyramidal nut. "Rare are the cracks showing the same profile as the nuts". Starting from this statement, in 1978, Mark Vallance thought of changing the two large flat sides to create the maximum possible point contact with the rock. Using some Forrest Foxheads as prototypes he tried a large number of combinations to obtain finally the first curved nut, marketed early in 1979 under the name of Rock. No matter what the angle formed by both sides of a crack, the Rocks have always a three-point contact instead of only two for the pyramidal nut. By coincidence, at about the same time, Geoff Birtles, the Editor of High Mountain Sports magazine, worked with Tom Proctor on a closely similar design. They offered Mark Vallance the name Rocks which was what their device was called.
DMT
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porcelainsunset
Nov 29, 2005, 5:45 AM
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Thank you all for helping me answer my qusetion, and Dingus, thank you for your wealth of information.
You guys forgot to mention other useless titles such as Passive and Active. Ha, he, he, Ehhh... hum, joking. :oops: It's good to know that some words in this sport actually mean different things. Climbers are way to much like Tolkien some times.
Can anybody think of anything else that has multiple names? I'll start. Aiders, aka Step Ladders, and for all you French folk out there Etriers.
Is it just me or is the lauange in this sport somewhat overcomplicated?
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chossmonkey
Nov 29, 2005, 6:06 AM
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I love my WC Rocks. I usually always carry doubles of 3, 4, and 5.
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octarine
Nov 29, 2005, 6:12 AM
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rappelling/abseiling
jugging/jumaring
euro-death-knot/flat overhand knot
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porcelainsunset
Nov 29, 2005, 6:29 AM
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In reply to: rappelling/abseiling jugging/jumaring euro-death-knot/flat overhand knot
Love your signature man.
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porcelainsunset
Nov 29, 2005, 6:31 AM
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In reply to: rappelling/abseiling jugging/jumaring euro-death-knot/flat overhand knot
Love the Signature man.
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qtm
Nov 29, 2005, 4:09 PM
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No, the Rocks (TM), Stoppers (TM) and nuts (no TM) name issue is different from the Aiders/Etriers. We're talking about trademarks and brand names. The French couldn't go and call them WC "Pierres" because "Rocks" it's a trademarked brand name. Well, individually they could, but retailers and magazines couldn't advertise it as such.
For non-trademark, non-brand names, people have their own terms in their own language. Especially the French, who's government is fighting the "Americanization" of their language. There's always news about how the goverment is replacing American words with frenchified words... when car makers started putting "airbags" in cars, the French government forced retailers to use the term "coussin gonfable de protection" (inflatable cushion of protection).
There's interesting theories about how things have different names depending on how and when they are introduced into a culture.
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anykineclimb
Nov 29, 2005, 4:32 PM
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In reply to: There's always news about how the goverment is replacing American words with frenchified words... when car makers started putting "airbags" in cars, the French government forced retailers to use the term "coussin gonfable de protection" (inflatable cushion of protection).
Leave it to the french to do something so ridiculous..
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