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puerto
Jan 12, 2006, 6:19 PM
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I got a message from a retailer I purchased an Alien from about a possible recall of Aliens with a dot at the base of the cable eye? Whatever that means..
Anyone else heard anything or know how to identify this dot?
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tattooed_climber
Jan 12, 2006, 6:21 PM
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maybe you should post up the name of the retailer so if anyone else has purchased from there, they can call 'em
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tgreene
Jan 12, 2006, 6:22 PM
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I envision this threading needing to be sent off to Community, within 30 minutes!
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timm
Jan 12, 2006, 6:23 PM
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I received the same notification and that CCH is going to post the info later (with pictures) The punched dot is easy to find if you have such an affected alien (which I do).
Supposedly, the only sizes affected are orange, gold, purple, and clear.
I guess that the outsourced contractor wasn't "experienced, skilled people who take great care in the quality of the braze" as cchaliens originally posted.
Tim
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bobruef
Jan 12, 2006, 6:38 PM
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wasn't quietmonk's defective alien a gray one?
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timm
Jan 12, 2006, 6:41 PM
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Oh, and the supposedly affected hybrids are: blue/green, green/yellow, and yellow/red.
Dunno with quitemonk's failure was gray or not. But, if I recall, he never posted photos so don't know if that failure was real or not.
Tim
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tgreene
Jan 12, 2006, 6:43 PM
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In reply to: I received the same notification and that CCH is going to post the info later (with pictures) The punched dot is easy to find if you have such an affected alien (which I do). Supposedly, the only sizes affected are orange, gold, purple, and clear. I guess that the outsourced contractor wasn't "experienced, skilled people who take great care in the quality of the braze" as cchaliens originally posted. Tim |
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healyje
Jan 12, 2006, 6:47 PM
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Ok Moderators ---
We are officially reeling out of control with the creation of new CCH threads. Even if temporary we really could use a separate forum to contain all these CCH threads in one place or we need some mechanism or oversight to prevent folks from just spinning thread after thread off as we go along as we are probably just at the beginning of a fairly long process of riding all this to what hopefully turns out to be a positive long term resolution.
Folks - please - NO MORE NEW CCH THREADS!!!
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bobruef
Jan 12, 2006, 6:50 PM
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what is this punched dot? Is it a blemish in the brazing due to the faulty ousourcing? Or is it a mark they put on all cams outsourced by this company? Did the mgear cams that failed have this mark (can it still be found despit the destructive testing)?
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eyecannon
Jan 12, 2006, 6:52 PM
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Awaiting pics, because I can't find any "dots" on mine, though they all have a slightly flattened top.
EDIT: oh i see, where the cable enters the top part...
pretty sure I don't see any dots :?
Please allow me to list my manufacturing dates:
blue: 12/04
green: 09/04
yellow: 08/04
gray: 12/04
red: 08/04
gold: 10/05 <-- POSSIBLY DEFECTIVE
orange: 11/04
purple: 08/04
blue/green: 06/05
blue/black: 06/05
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timm
Jan 12, 2006, 6:56 PM
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In reply to: what is this punched dot? Is it a blemish in the brazing due to the faulty ousourcing? Or is it a mark they put on all cams outsourced by this company? Did the mgear cams that failed have this mark (can it still be found despit the destructive testing)?
From my understanding and my inspection of my new aliens, it is a clearly "punched" dot. Small but it is there. It is at the base of the "bulb" and centered. It's about the width of a piece of 0.5mm or 0.75mm lead from a mechanical pencil.
Tim
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kaylinr
Jan 12, 2006, 7:00 PM
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Somone with an outsourced Alien please post a picture!
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eyecannon
Jan 12, 2006, 7:02 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: what is this punched dot? Is it a blemish in the brazing due to the faulty ousourcing? Or is it a mark they put on all cams outsourced by this company? Did the mgear cams that failed have this mark (can it still be found despit the destructive testing)? From my understanding and my inspection of my new aliens, it is a clearly "punched" dot. Small but it is there. It is at the base of the "bulb" and centered. It's about the width of a piece of 0.5mm or 0.75mm lead from a mechanical pencil. Tim
On the cable or the solid metal piece?
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timm
Jan 12, 2006, 7:04 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: what is this punched dot? Is it a blemish in the brazing due to the faulty ousourcing? Or is it a mark they put on all cams outsourced by this company? Did the mgear cams that failed have this mark (can it still be found despit the destructive testing)? From my understanding and my inspection of my new aliens, it is a clearly "punched" dot. Small but it is there. It is at the base of the "bulb" and centered. It's about the width of a piece of 0.5mm or 0.75mm lead from a mechanical pencil. Tim On the cable or the solid metal piece?
At the base of the metal bulb where the axle goes thru the solid metal piece.
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tgreene
Jan 12, 2006, 7:05 PM
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Does this take into account the improperly drilled lobes on the Orange Aliens, that have been discussed for the past few months..?
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kaylinr
Jan 12, 2006, 7:34 PM
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Wow, that one is made differently than all of mine. Yours has braided cable all the way to the lobes. Mine have braided cable halfway, and then solid steel wire the rest of the way to the lobe. Mine are all reds and smaller though. Perhaps that's just how they construct the larger cams?
Thanks for the pic!
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eyecannon
Jan 12, 2006, 7:46 PM
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In reply to: Wow, that one is made differently than all of mine. Yours has braided cable all the way to the lobes. Mine have braided cable halfway, and then solid steel wire the rest of the way to the lobe. Mine are all reds and smaller though. Perhaps that's just how they construct the larger cams? Thanks for the pic!
They do make the different sizes a little differently, but also that is a gold and there are a couple of other modifications, most notably, the way the trigger wires go in to the trigger.
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healyje
Jan 12, 2006, 7:56 PM
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In reply to: Does this take into account the improperly drilled lobes on the Orange Aliens, that have been discussed for the past few months..?
At this time there is no indication or information connecting the two defects. By that I mean this "dimple" marking at the moment does not in any way identify an alien with the axle hole location defect. For that matter, we as yet don't have absolute verification that this "defect dimple" is related to the head seperation experienced by the OP that initially sparked this latest round of threads.
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landgolier
Jan 12, 2006, 8:54 PM
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In reply to: Supposedly, the only sizes affected are orange, gold, purple, and clear.
I hate to jump on this dogpile, but since this contradicts the above...
I have a gray (7/8, the sort of new size between red and yellow) with the dot. Date is 0305. Never fallen on it, it's probably been in 1 or 2 anchors that got weighted
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csgambill
Jan 12, 2006, 9:19 PM
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I received the same phone call not too long ago. Lucky me, this retailer (Alpenglow) just shipped me a Gold Alien. Well, I guess looking for these dots gives me a legitimate excuse to go play with my cams after work today.
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I just spoke to CCH on the phone to try to determine if this "dimple" will definitively identify defective aliens. They said that they were finalizing their report, and would post it here within the next hour. This should clear up a lot of the questions and speculation currently bouncing around.
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thatnameisalreadychosen
Jan 13, 2006, 7:13 AM
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please see:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/topic/104768
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