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fearlessclimber
Feb 10, 2006, 6:37 PM
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I have been looking at climbing pictures and in the background there are quickdraws left un the wall, are they up for grabs or are they someone project. whay do they do that anyay. whay would you leave them there
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styndall
Feb 10, 2006, 6:43 PM
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BOOM
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caughtinside
Feb 10, 2006, 6:47 PM
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HELL YEAH!
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jt512
Feb 10, 2006, 7:11 PM
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In reply to: I have been looking at climbing pictures and in the background there are quickdraws left un the wall, are they up for grabs or are they someone project. whay do they do that anyay. whay would you leave them there
if u wer going 2 come back next day 2 finish teh project whay wud u tak them down
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iceisnice
Feb 10, 2006, 7:13 PM
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i say take them. not because anyone is entitled to them or anything. i just wanna hear the sport climbin pansies bitch and moan that they can't do the climb now without the draws already in place. its very entertaining.
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caughtinside
Feb 10, 2006, 7:21 PM
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In reply to: i say take them. not because anyone is entitled to them or anything. i just wanna hear the sport climbin pansies b---- and moan that they can't do the climb now without the draws already in place. its very entertaining.
Hahahaha! Stealing is funny! Hahahaha!
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namoclimber
Feb 10, 2006, 7:24 PM
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I have a local crag its common for most of the hard routs (5.12+ and up)to have fixed draws. Its understood that on these specific climbs you replace draws if needed and not take draws from them. They are most certainly not up for grabs or free to take. I'm sure that there are other areas that are much the same way, and would crucify many a noob that ever neglected the local rules.
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moose_droppings
Feb 10, 2006, 7:34 PM
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Pull em off and throw em on the ground, let someone else steal em.
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nevenneve
Feb 10, 2006, 9:19 PM
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Better yet, cut 10mm holes in the bottoms of the rope biners. April fools is just around the corner.
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mp29000
Feb 10, 2006, 9:43 PM
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Fixed draws are bull sh1t. I liken it to trash.
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tradrak
Feb 10, 2006, 10:01 PM
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Leave them.
Keep in mind that almost every breakthrough sport climb and most hard big wall "free" routes have gone on fixed gear of some sort....of course, you don't ever hear 5.10 trad climbers talk about that.
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korntera
Feb 10, 2006, 10:27 PM
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If there is one draw, a few bolts up, take it they bailed. If there are draws the whole way up the route, leave them its somebodys project. And to those trad people that said take them so the spot climbing pansies cry about it, WTF do you need QD's for. I don't know about you but when I trad climb I use slings in as many places as I can and use QD's minimally.
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Feb 10, 2006, 10:42 PM
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Though this topic has been run into the ground before, search for it. I'll bite...
Draws conviently left on a route are very similar to leaving your trash at the bottom of a crag. Even if it is someone's project, it is irresponsible to leave gear just hanging there. That is just the image that some land manager wants in his/her head... Shiny, bright pink draws hanging on the cliff making it an eyesore for the area. Now ethically speaking, if you were to come across this situation and there were other parties around, should you ask the others if they are working the project and indeed they are, then it would be acceptable to have them there. Furthermore once left, they are the equivelent of garbage. Take them down, take them home, be proud you just saved yourself $60 - 80.
I'd take them.
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bustloose
Feb 10, 2006, 10:47 PM
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without doing a search, does anyone have a bet on how pages of drivel have been written on this *issue*...? it's gotta be over 20...
styndall... i laughed...
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jt512
Feb 10, 2006, 10:50 PM
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In reply to: without doing a search, does anyone have a bet on how pages of drivel have been written on this *issue*...? it's gotta be over 20... styndall... i laughed...
I'd say you're off by an order of magniturd.
Jay
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rock_junkie
Feb 11, 2006, 12:06 AM
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Take em if you can get to them. But do not do any type of aiding or rappelling to get to them. If you can climb hard enough to get them, most likely you're not in need of them.
Sometimes its too hard to retrieve them. IE the route is overhanging and traverses.
Besides, you dont want those raty draws which are left out in the elements.
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organic
Feb 11, 2006, 12:14 AM
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I left some permanent draws on a 5.12c roof problem, the roof is ~20+feet long so you would have to work to get them on rappel. Makes it easier for people climbing the roof they don't have to get the draws off. If you really feel like spending a bunch of time and effort for a few omega pacific dirtbags go for it or rather if you are that hurting for cash get a job.
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fearlessclimber
Feb 11, 2006, 1:39 AM
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thanks for all of the post so far keep telling me what you think, by the way why would you need more draws than you already have anyway, i mean i proply only use about 18 draws on one route at the most, but for multipitch i use a little more, i guess i could use a few extra, who is that stupid to leave them hanging there. lol
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