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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nationís fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.

Its kind of like in fifth grade when you had to write a report on a famous person and you just plagiarized the encyclopedia. I liked the World Book Encyclopedia myself.


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nationís fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.

wow thorne, you have just lost complete credibility with respect to intellectual honesty. I wonder what you're feeling right now.

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Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html
Not really. :oops:

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as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.
Clinton was fortunate to inherit a amazing bull market. Wisely, he didn't do anything to muck it up.


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Since becoming President of the United States in 2001, President Bush has worked with the Congress to create an ownership society and build a future of security, prosperity, and opportunity for all Americans. He signed into law tax relief that helps workers keep more of their hard-earned money, as well as the most comprehensive education reforms in a generation, the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001. This legislation is ushering in a new era of accountability, flexibility, local control, and more choices for parents, affirming our Nationís fundamental belief in the promise of every child. President Bush has also worked to improve healthcare and modernize Medicare, providing the first-ever prescription drug benefit for seniors; increase homeownership, especially among minorities; conserve our environment; and increase military strength, pay, and benefits. Because President Bush believes the strength of America lies in the hearts and souls of our citizens, he has supported programs that encourage individuals to help their neighbors in need.

On the morning of September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked our Nation. Since then, President Bush has taken unprecedented steps to protect our homeland and create a world free from terror. He is grateful for the service and sacrifice of our brave men and women in uniform and their families. The President is confident that by helping build free and prosperous societies, our Nation and our friends and allies will succeed in making America more secure and the world more peaceful.

Heh, couldn't come up with anything on your own, eh?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

I couldn't either, though I swear at some point there were a few things he had done that I agreed with...as for Clinton, I think he got lucky and didn't have to do anything spectacular to be remembered well. We were at peace and in the middle of a huge economic boom, all he needed to do was stay out of the way and let things ride.

wow thorne, you have just lost complete credibility with respect to intellectual honesty. I wonder what you're feeling right now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

As if he ever had any. I told you that he was probably a GOP plant. Who else would go out of his way to pull a stunt like that?. I would almost bet that every large website, that entertains political discussions, is being infiltrated by these people. Phil, call in the SpyBusters. :D


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As if he ever had any. I told you that he was probably a GOP plant. Who else would go out of his way to pull a stunt like that?. I would almost bet that every large website, that entertains political discussions, is being infiltrated with these people. Phil, call in the SpyBusters. Very Happy


I started a thread about Bumblie (Thorne) being Karl Rove separated-at-birth- brother. I think I was right.


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I'm reluctant to post here,there seems a pretty strong liberal bias,and you all love to bash we conservatives so. So, I will ask,most respectfully,that you ask yourselves,what would the president of your choosing have done in the difficult situations that President Bush has faced? Do any of you feel that Gore would have had a significantly better plan for dealing with terrorism? Personally,I think,he might have apologized to the Muslim world,that seemed what he was best at.He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.Say what you will, it's been five years since 9/11 and our homeland has remained thankfully safe.Bush said he wanted to engage the enemy on their turf,and we are.

So Kerry is elected and there is a huge hurricane coming,do you believe that he could in some way have evacuated the city of New Orleans?Do you believe there would be no cronyism in his administration? Would he have gone down there and put his finger in the dike? Personally I believe dealing with the hurricane was the responsibility of the State of Louisiana,that the dikes and levees were a bad idea from the start,and rebuilding a worse one.

Curt,you are a way smarter guy than I, everybody likes a BJ, even we conservatives,but is it fair to overlook perjury?The truth is that Clinton had a lifelong history of manipulating women for sex.Paula Jones was not the only person he offered jobs to in exchange for sex,you may argue that's not proven,I'll agree.Personally I would not have cared a whit if he was doing Monica or some other girl,that's pretty standard fare for the White House,Kennedy was a sex machine.At least he had the sack to actually have intercourse,and I don't think he was strongarming women for it.That's the part that bothered me,the conservative.That and the"depends on what your definition of 'is' is".

Tough situations come up all the time in the modern world,the days of black and white answers are,sadly,gone.Many people object to the war in Iraq,I respect your opinions,can you respect mine,or at least give creedence to the idea that Saddam was in blatant disregard of the terms of surrender?I never expected to get out of Iraq in short order,we still have a significant presence in Korea and until recently in Germany.We are fighting an enemy that fades into the populace,as in Vietnam.It won't be easy,if we are lucky we will provide a model of democracy for the Middle East,I have read articles in Time that hint we may have had some success with that,time will tell.

I don't think President Bush is a brilliant guy.Jimmy Carter is a brilliant guy and was one of the worst presidents I can recall. Johnson was a democrat,but he had vision,and my heart aches every time I see those images of him with his head in his hands during the Vietnam war,no easy answer there either.

So bash away,I guess it makes you feel better.I recall how desperate I felt under Clinton,Waco,Ruby Ridge,leaving Somalia with our tail between our legs. I'm sure some of you feel that way now,and I wish it wasn't so.

Tomcat


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busted again

come on, anyone that read through thorne's first sentence shoulda known he was not giving credit to the "original" author

not to bust yer balls any further, thorne, or those that where actually that naive

question: was it strategery? (


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So at the risk of getting back on topic, I was on my way home from school just now and spent the trip trying to think of when it was that I supported Bush, and I finally came up with it. I thought that after 9/11 and up to and including Afghanistan he did a good job. Everyone was scared, and I thought he was concerned and trying to do something about it. You can look at the pictures of him before 9/11 and 6 months after to see how much it aged him. I didn't like the Patriot Act at the time, but since it was going to expire, I didn't really care too much. Of course I should have known better on that one...

He didn't lose me until the buildup to Iraq. It became clear that no matter what the U.N. did or how cooperative Iraq became, Bush was going in there, even if he had to make shit up to get people behind him. At this point, I just don't trust him.


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I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that thorne would copy and paste uncited material in this forum! He has never done this before, and I trust he will not again.

Oh, and I hate to say this, but my rich grandparents are in the process of figuring out their will right now. Bush's recent abolition of inheritance taxes will work out rather well for my family. So I say fuck the homosexual welfare state, give me more money, and get out of my ownership society's way!!!!


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This isn't a personal attack on thorne or anything but I think that t--- is what you would describe as the typical republican. I mean, they use all sorts of conniving, rat tactics to get their propaganda across even if it means lying, stealing, cheating and all sorts of sordid things. :boring:

to stay back on topic, when you evaluate this or that president, a lot of people make the mistake of evaluating based on this or that particular action. Each action is controversial now that the propaganda machine influences or thoughts. My point is that what we should focus on instead is the "moral character" of republicans and, well, as t--- shows us perfectly, they are supreme lying, stealing, dirty scumbags willing to compromise all morals just to get their scumbag interests across.

this is so not a troll :D


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I'm reluctant to post here,there seems a pretty strong liberal bias,and you all love to bash we conservatives so.
I'm not a liberal, I'm a leftist, and am pretty critical of all politicians.

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He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.
And you think Bush doesn't. I'm sure it was totally his ideal to buy the ranch in Crawford back in 99 too. As I'm also sure he writes all his own speeches. Hell, go back to that old Kennedy/Nixon debate, and I bet Nixon would have loved if someone had made him wear makeup.

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Say what you will, it's been five years since 9/11 and our homeland has remained thankfully safe.
At least from Islamic terrorists.


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Hey Camhead :D

Where've you been? Presumably, spending very little time in front of a computer monitor. :wink:

The lefties around here are in serious need of intellectual leadership. Post up, beotch.


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He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.
And you think Bush doesn't. I'm sure it was totally his ideal to buy the ranch in Crawford back in 99 too.

I think he was talking about Gore paying a feminist writer $15,000/month to help him present himself as an "alpha male".


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I think he was talking about Gore paying a feminist writer $15,000/month to help him present himself as an "alpha male".

Wow, $15,000 a month to do the impossible.


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He'e setting records for vacation time. I don't know if that's good, but it sure makes me jealous.

Where was Bush when all the warning bells were going off about 9/11?
VACATION!
How about when Katrina went slamming into New Orleans?
VACATION!
And then when the violent insurgency flared in Iraq?
VACATION!

In fact, one time in 2005, Bush was on vacation in his Texas ranch when he decided to go to a ranch in Idaho, to take a vacation from his vacation!

Call that liberal bias, but I really am jealous.


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So, I will ask,most respectfully,that you ask yourselves,what would the president of your choosing have done in the difficult situations that President Bush has faced? Do any of you feel that Gore would have had a significantly better plan for dealing with terrorism?

Yes. Hopefully, he would have not started a pre-emptive war with Iraq. That in itself would be a huge improvement over the shrub's "anti-terrorism" policy.

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Personally,I think,he might have apologized to the Muslim world,that seemed what he was best at.

That's something of a straw-man argument don't you think? Do you expect to get a serious response to that? Please...

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He had people telling him what clothes to wear for crying out loud.

Right... and no-one at all was telling Bush what to wear, what to do, and what to say...

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Say what you will, it's been five years since 9/11 and our homeland has remained thankfully safe.

I'd say it's debatable whether or not actions taken by Bush have made us any safer. Post 9/11 any president would have acted to strengthen our homeland defenses against terrorism, but hopefully someone else would have done so without compromising our civil liberties (illegal wire-tapping, etc.) and without starting a war in a country that poses no threat to us.

Of course, that does not even begin to get into the long term repercussions of this administration's choices may bring us. It is quite possible that our actions in the Middle East are helping to foster a new generation of terrorists. I think that Al Gore, despite some of his deficiencies, probably understood international politics well enough to see this.

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Bush said he wanted to engage the enemy on their turf,and we are.

Right... and that was a great decision :roll:

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So Kerry is elected and there is a huge hurricane coming,do you believe that he could in some way have evacuated the city of New Orleans?

I dunno... maybe. We now know that Bush was warned about the levies ahead of time (and lied about it later), yet did nothing. Would Kerry have done something differently? I'm not sure.

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Do you believe there would be no cronyism in his administration? Would he have gone down there and put his finger in the dike?


Of course there would be cronyism in his administration. We are talking about Washington here. Would it be as widespread as in Bush's? I doubt it.



Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....


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i TURN MY CELL PHONE OFF WHEN i'M ON VACATION.....


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:


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you cynical bunch of haters....Bush made it acceptable for the thousands of men in this country that did not serve in combat to come forward and bash those that did. This act alone served to instill a sense of entitilement never before seen in the community that is proudly known as "Slackers for Bush".


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:


I believe thats referred to as creative Marketing... political style.


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i TURN MY CELL PHONE OFF WHEN i'M ON VACATION.....

So if I go out and climb all day long, but leave my cell phone on, then it's not vacation? Now I just need to convince my boss of that.


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Anything else? I can also think of healthy alternatives to many of Bush's other choices. No-Child Left Behind, our new and improved Supreme Court, Healthy Forests Act (Or whatever it was called), the Clear Skies Act, etc, etc, etc....

At least his initiatives/efforts have positive sounding names. :wink:
You really think he was responsible for that?


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Trying to be unbiased, even tho it would be close to impossible for 90% of us, everything Bush does seems to indicate hes running the country like a business. One thing he could do that I would strongly approve of would be for him to put reforms on campaign financing... that would take care of the whords of corrupt Republicans right now, Abrahamoff, Delay, and whoever else is funneling illegal funds.
On top of everything G Dubyas oil friends/ contributors have manipulated in doing anything really hel[ful to fight global warming. that makes him a WHORE!
And as hillary clinton hypothesizes, Rove and the gang are trying to swing as much bad attention towards her for the 2008 elections to distract people from the current administrations fuckups.

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