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microbarn
May 5, 2006, 2:51 AM
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there is a bouldering comp to help buy White Rocks at the Wall coming up. I think it might be next friday. Details???
I will try to find them and post them up myself tomorrow.
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chronicle
May 5, 2006, 2:03 PM
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In reply to: The PAC has opened up govenor stables. There's nothing wrong with that, it's a good boulder field, and the PAC is to thank. Have they done much else???
In reply to: As far as access to Western PA areas are concerned there are bigger fish to fry than the McConnells mills, Derry, and Krahlich. Yeah they are good in there own way, but if the resources are going to be used there are much better options out there.
Seriously, the PAC does want to help with access to areas across the entire state. However in order to do that, people from all over the state need to speak up and lay out on the table all of the access issues that are important. So far the only areas that are being "widely" talked about in Western PA is Krahlick, The Projects (talked about for 5-6 years now), and White Rocks.
If you have access issues, and you want to do something about them (other than go online and complain), contact the PAC or the Access Fund and let's see what we can do.
http://www.accessfund.org/index.php
http://www.paclimbers.org/
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roclimb
May 5, 2006, 10:54 PM
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Flamodee,
In reply to: Now the access fund regional reps from east PA on the other hand have done nothing but spread rumors about privately owning areas in central PA,
what are you talking about???????
I have been responsible for having 5-seperate areas in the state open to climbing, organized several cleanups over the years, rebolted countless routes. so resspectfully what areas have I "spread rumors about"?
If your talking about Hunters 90% of the area is on state game lands.
If you are talking about bear Rocks there are two spots called bear rocks. Yes one is on private land and the other is public.
By the way what is currantly going on about bellfonte quarry? I have heard no updates in the past year. Is the quarry still selling the land to the township? Is the township going to allow climbing?
~Rob
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roclimb
May 5, 2006, 11:21 PM
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Looking at my sectionsI posted about Bear Rocks I now realize that the Bear Rocks off the road that is on private land could eaisly be cofused for the one that is on public land.
I appologize for any confusion. I know a local climber "spotzie" from Lock Heaven that was recently kicked off the land at the private bear rocks last weekend according to a friend of mine.
anyway sorry if I caused any confusion of the matter. The deal is that spot is closed and will mostlikely be that way forever. The other rocks up the road on public land are just as good but a real far walk.
Back to the main topic,
Has anyone approached the new landowner of Krachlic rocks and asked him if there is the possibility of allowing climbing?
That sucks its closed...there is a real rich history of climbing there dating back to Ivan Jirack origionally climbing there decades ago.
~Rob
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fleamodee
May 6, 2006, 5:10 PM
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In reply to: If you are talking about bear Rocks there are two spots called bear rocks. Yes one is on private land and the other is public.
It's funny how you come to this conclusion after one of your buddies is kicked off, when state college locals have told you on numerous occasions that it was on private land. You were wrong now an area is closed. Until info was posted here there were no problems, then one year of needing a hand written note from the owner to climb there and now it's closed.
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roclimb
May 6, 2006, 6:57 PM
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my buddie IS a State College local. The guy has been climbing at bear rocks since the early 80's. From what he and a good friend of mine who is a landowner a few miles from Bear Rocks said is that hardly anyone ever climbs at the place anyway and he also stated that the landowner NEVER allowed climbing.
If MR. shuemaker is not allowing climbing there now than why dont you approach him and ask him what can be done to allow climbing there. A good friend of mine is practally neighbors with him, we would be more than willing to talk with him. Just let me know what I can do.
By the way I NEVER posted directions to the PRIVATE bear rocks. my directions are to the BEAR rocks in Black Moshannon state park it is on public land.
Once again I appologize if you misunderstood what area I posted psuedo directions to.
~Rob
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roclimb
May 6, 2006, 7:00 PM
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Flamodee said
In reply to: Until info was posted here there were no problems
So why did you say last year that there were problems. You flamed in another post about me talking about "Bear" and now you are saying there were no problems? If all you needed was a hand writted note from the land-owner why did'nt you think to mention that last year instead of flaming about the place?
Are you the same Brian I met in Mocanaqua about 2yrs ago who had a silver pathfinder?
~Rob
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rockjess
May 6, 2006, 7:14 PM
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How long has Krachlick been closed
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fleamodee
May 6, 2006, 7:42 PM
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Mr. Shuemaker recently passed away, the renter of the land who issued the passes never was too happy about the increased traffic and escorted numerous people off of the area with a shotgun. The passes had a whole list of times when one could not climb there and had to be HANDWRITTEN by him personally. Not something all to accessible to the "general public"
At the time of the last thread this whole system was not going on.
Now that Mr. Shuemaker has passed he doesn't want climbers there.
That wasn't me at Moc
Rob where's your guidebook? Wasn't it supposed to be out a long time ago?
I'm going outside to climb now
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roclimb
May 6, 2006, 8:00 PM
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Wow a lot of people must have guns in central PA. I hear a story about someone getting escorted off land by shotgun for just about every area near state college. I'm glad I live in farm country.
Do you guys ever climb at the bear Rocks I posted about. Its a long hike but a pleasant setting.
Have fun climbing, I would love to get outside but got an emergency call to go see a patient at the hospital. No climbing fo rme today. Enjoy the nice weather.
~Rob
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jkarns
May 8, 2006, 1:53 PM
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A word about the Pennsylvania Alliance of Climbers:
We are a LITTLE organization that is totally 100% dependent on volunteer hours to make anything happen (this means you). Most importantly, we are in need of people for leadership positions, people who are willing to get behind the scenes and form solid relationships with landowners. I get emails all the time from people offering to "help out" at trail days.
Your help is greatly appreciated, but what we really need are people to ORGANIZE trail days (and other events). Under our current leadership volunteer capacity, it is all we can do to keep up with the management of Governor Stable, and this has become a pretty big job.
We are not active in Western PA because we do not have any members in Western PA who want to be active. I'd love for this to change, but I can't really be doing too much out there while living on the other side of the state.
Until someone from the area steps up to the plate, our role there will be minimal. However, we do have resources to offer from afar, and I do offer them to anyone who is interested. If you'd like to take control of your own climbing future and would like the help of an establish organizational infrastructure, feel free to contact me. Until then, the only person to blame for PAC not being active at your local crag is YOU!!
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thrill_seeker
Feb 23, 2009, 10:01 PM
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I have no problems going climbing there i live right in connellsville and go there all the time. I just went camping there last summer for 4 days right at the base of the kitchen the only people i seen there was kids from camp carmel, we had no problems with them. And they said nothing about it being posted i will be going there as soon as the weather breaks. I will keep u all updated on the info i find out. I made sure we did not leave any garbage around and we even cleaned up the other garbage that was there. We had a great time.
(This post was edited by thrill_seeker on Feb 24, 2009, 1:14 AM)
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cilohabmilc
Sep 12, 2009, 2:47 AM
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Camp Carmel has some kind of agreement with the land owner. Contact them www.campcarmel.com because i think that if you camp there overnight you have the same access permission that they do.
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Gilbert1976
Jan 24, 2011, 12:05 AM
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[quote "microbarn"]most everything came out in the thread yesterday.
Exkursions contacted the land owners, and they did their best. They have decided the best action for climbers to take is to avoid the area. Let the current owners learn that it isn't the climbing community that ruins the area. After they learn that climbers are not the problem, they might be more willing to let us back into the area.[/quote]
It's never the climbers and the outdoor people it's the POS party animals that have no respect for anyone or anything. Same thin happened to many areas I used to ride ATV people dump trash ,leave all their beer bottles and cans and trash. and destroy anything they can find cause while their drunk they think it's cool.
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