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thorne
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What's your point?
In the book, Opus Dei is responsible for murder. Do either of those links confirm that?
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slablizard
May 22, 2006, 7:57 PM
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No point at all... you mentioned OD, I heard that a lot back in Rome connected to the Vatican and some not soo clean stories with politics and money back in the 70s and 80s and I just googled it. As you say one has to confirm facts....
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coopershawk
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No interest in reading the book or seeing the movie...could care less in fact. However, I just finished Autoiography of a Yogi, amd was very suprised at the amount of biblical quotes these Hundus used, incorporated, and lived by in this book. Thorne, Pinky, how come other religions incorporate the bible into their religion, accept the message of Christ, consider him on par with the rest of the saints, but christians condem everything that isn't drawn exclusively from the bible and consider hindus hell-born sinners? Oh yes, and the message these enlightened yogis delivered was no different than the teachings of the New Testament. Explanations please.....
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thorne
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When you quit making blanket generalizations/condemnations, I might consider giving you honest, sincere, straightforward replies.
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coopershawk
May 22, 2006, 9:33 PM
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Not good enough. Answer the question....or can't you?
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pinktricam
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In reply to: No interest in reading the book or seeing the movie...could care less in fact.
In reply to: However, I just finished Autoiography of a Yogi, amd was very suprised at the amount of biblical quotes these Hundus used, incorporated, and lived by in this book. Thorne, Pinky, how come other religions incorporate the bible into their religion, accept the message of Christ, consider him on par with the rest of the saints, but christians condem everything that isn't drawn exclusively from the bible and consider hindus hell-born sinners?
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coopershawk
May 22, 2006, 9:54 PM
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Yep, blame Satan for everything. Typical Christian answer. why don't you pick the book up and read it before telling me what i understand and don't understand? Thanks for the grammatical correction, too. I think Satan was fucking with my head when I wrote that. Hey, you guys wanna burn some witches later?? Or kill some filthy muslim dogs?
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pinktricam
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Hey, what part of, "You'd have to give me an example and put it in context..." don't you understand?!?
It becomes obvious with each of your posts that you neither have any understanding of the NT, nor do you wish any.
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coopershawk
May 22, 2006, 10:08 PM
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Dude, pick the book up and read it for chirstsake's!!!!!!The book is loaded with biblical refrences, references to God, Jesus, his Gospel, etc. What part of "pick the book up and read it" don't you understand??? Automatically, it's Satan does this and Satan does that. Satan, Satan, Satan... Satan's in your heart and head, not in hell. Get a grip. Just because I'v read the New Testament and claim that it's MESSAGE OF PEACE is really no different than any other "gospel"out there, doesn't mean Satan is influencing my thoughts...Do you ever get laid with that attitude?
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pinktricam
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In reply to: Dude, pick the book up and read it for chirstsake's!!!!!!The book is loaded with biblical refrences, references to God, Jesus, his Gospel, etc. What part of "pick the book up and read it" don't you understand??? Automatically, it's Satan does this and Satan does that. Satan, Satan, Satan... Satan's in your heart and head, not in hell. Get a grip. Just because I'v read the New Testament and claim that it's MESSAGE OF PEACE is really no different than any other "gospel"out there, doesn't mean Satan is influencing my thoughts... |
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Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!
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In reply to: In reply to: Dude, pick the book up and read it for chirstsake's!!!!!!The book is loaded with biblical refrences, references to God, Jesus, his Gospel, etc. What part of "pick the book up and read it" don't you understand??? Automatically, it's Satan does this and Satan does that. Satan, Satan, Satan... Satan's in your heart and head, not in hell. Get a grip. Just because I'v read the New Testament and claim that it's MESSAGE OF PEACE is really no different than any other "gospel"out there, doesn't mean Satan is influencing my thoughts... Yeah...too bad you missed the message of Salvation. |
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coopershawk
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:D fucking awesome dude
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napoleon_in_rags
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In reply to: Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!
Of I remember right, Tarantino actually wrote that by pasting together 3 or 4 old testament quotes.
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gogo
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Alright, first off, my comment about the body of God still hasn't really been answered at all. I got someone saying that our bodies have changed since being expelled from Eden in the mythological sense, but that still doesn't answer the necessity of any sense organs. Because if we are created in God's image, that still implies that he has organs to sense and acquire knowledge of surroundings, which would imply that the Christian god is not omnipresent and all-knowing.
The whole stats things involving Christianity and Roman Catholics wasn't really my point, and I actually didn't give any stats. However, I really don't see how anyone can claim that Roman Catholics are not Christian.
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In reply to: I'm amazed that there are still people who still think The Da Vinci Code is real. Did they miss Dan Brown and Michael Baigent (author of "holy blood holy grail") slugging it out in court over who made it up first? :lol:
I guess back-in-the-day Mark would be suing Luke about who made it up first. :lol:
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Heh.
Not really. See, there's no copyright on historical events - anyone can report them because they really happened.
Baigent and Brown's books do have copyright applied to them because they're made up. Had they been based on actual facts, the court case could never have taken place.
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In reply to: Thorne, Pinky, how come other religions incorporate the bible into their religion, accept the message of Christ, consider him on par with the rest of the saints, but christians condem everything that isn't drawn exclusively from the bible and consider hindus hell-born sinners? Oh yes, and the message these enlightened yogis delivered was no different than the teachings of the New Testament. Explanations please.....
Which religions, besides Hinduism, incorporate the Bible into their religion?
Which other religions have Saints? Who are these "rest of the saints" you're talking about? Is there a club or special initiation?
What evidence to you have that "Christians condem everything that isn't drawn exclusively from the bible and consider hindus hell-born sinners?"
I respond with questions because you seem to make a lot of presumptions on things I don't know anything about.
Enlighten me. :D
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In reply to: The actual drama is pure fiction. But his claims of historical accuracy and the use of certain weel known facts allows him to introduce some historical fictions, that could easily be considered historical truths. Here are some of the grey areas - Hidden (but intentional) message in Da Vinci's The Last Supper Relationship of Jesus and Mary and any offspring Prior of Sion Opus Dei
I think the main reason we see the outcry about all of this is simply because the main focus of the book is religion, Christianity specifically. If it was some other thing he were writing about, not Jesus and the Christian religion, I don't think anyone would have much of an issue with it. At least that's my opinion ;)
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In reply to: The fact that some are misconstruing what he wrote as pure fact is not his fault.
In reply to: I think the main reason we see the outcry about all of this is simply because the main focus of the book is religion, Christianity specifically. If it was some other thing he were writing about, not Jesus and the Christian religion, I don't think anyone would have much of an issue with it. At least that's my opinion ;)
If someone made a movie about Joseph McCarthy, showing that all of the people he accusing of being agents of the Soviet Union were, in fact, agents of the Soviet Union and that he was actually a very patriotic man, who's only real transgression was attacking the darling's of the left (read - MEDIA), there would be a huge stink..... even if it was touted as fiction.
Or a movie showing how Lincoln forced the onset of the Civil War...
Or how Cordell Hull cut the legs out from under the Japanese, effectively guaranteeing their attack.
All three of these examples are much more supportable, yet all three would cause a major uproar.
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pinktricam
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In reply to: From Dan Brown interviews I've read, he gives the distinct impression that he completely believes everything he wrote about regarding Jesus's lifetime and relations. This leads me to believe his muddying of the waters was quite intentional.
In reply to: If someone made a movie about Joseph McCarthy, showing that all of the people he accusing of being agents of the Soviet Union were, in fact, agents of the Soviet Union and that he was actually a very patriotic man, who's only real transgression was attacking the darling's of the left (read - MEDIA), there would be a huge stink..... even if it was touted as fiction. |
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In reply to: The places are real, the architecture is real, the organizations he uses are real entities, and the art is real. Beyond that it is fiction. What he writes about the art, organizations, and places is fiction.
True enough. But he doesn't say that in the book.
What he says is like someone writing, "The places, architecture and people in what I am about to write are completely real. Dave Black and Abi Howe live in the US and Scotland, and from the safety of their own houses they mastermind an international paedphile ring which sexually abuses, rapes and murders thousands of infants and children every year".
The qualifying statement is completely true. But it's painfully obvious what the subsequent text is meant to imply about us, isn't it?
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I think the reason the church is so anti-DaVinci Code is because of the church's target audience. Most intelligent people will make up their own mind on issues and the church can do little to influence them. Intelligent people who read/watched DaVinci code understand where the facts stop and the fiction begins. The church is "afraid" of the movie because it could only have power over the same audience the church preys on.
Not to say that everyone who goes to church or believes in God in not intelligent. I'm not trying to say that at all (though I have been surprised to hear people I consider to be intelligent talking about carbon dating as hoaxes, and I do not get how they instantly throw all the intellect and reasoning out the window).
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pinktricam
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In reply to: The qualifying statement is completely true. But it's painfully obvious what the subsequent text is meant to imply about us, isn't it? |
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