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blueeyedclimber
Nov 6, 2006, 1:07 AM
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I just lubed all my cams and noticed that it worked very well on a couple of my carabiners that had sticky gates. Does anyone else do this? I know I can't be the first to think of this, but I have never seen anyone mention it before.
Josh
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scrapedape
Nov 6, 2006, 1:25 AM
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Dang right I do it. Works great, eh? Actually, I use White Lightning, but same diff...
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ctardi
Nov 6, 2006, 1:53 AM
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I do it! I've just found that it's best not to lube the locking mechanism on your lockers, as then they come a bit too easy to undo.
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yekcir
Nov 6, 2006, 2:05 AM
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Is white lightning safe to use with slings? I like the smell, but I imagine it eating up the webbing... so my biners are often left to close manually.
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yekcir
Nov 6, 2006, 2:05 AM
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Is white lightning safe to use with slings? I like the smell, but I imagine it eating up the webbing... so my biners are often left to close manually.
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tradrenn
Nov 6, 2006, 2:25 AM
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I haven't had that problem with my biners yet, but the way I see it you only put a little bit of the cam lube and wipe the excess.
I think this might be a good idea, but I will wait and see what others have to say about it.
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dontmaytagme
Nov 6, 2006, 3:01 AM
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Erm.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,472,625.PN.&OS=PN/5,472,625&RS=PN/5,472,625
Good for slings? Not so much.
[snip] The solvent may be selected from aromatics such as Toluene and Xylene or from chlorinated hydrocarbon solvents such as Perchloroethylene, as well as Naphthas, Pentane and Hexane. [snip]
Need I say more?
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scrapedape
Nov 6, 2006, 4:17 AM
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In reply to: Is white lightning safe to use with slings? I like the smell, but I imagine it eating up the webbing... so my biners are often left to close manually. |
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unrooted
Nov 6, 2006, 4:29 AM
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Clean biners should work fine without lube, lube can attract dirt which SUCKS!
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anykineclimb
Nov 6, 2006, 4:48 AM
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get wiregates.
problem solved
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blueeyedclimber
Nov 6, 2006, 2:53 PM
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In reply to: get wiregates. problem solved
I haven't seen any wiregate lockers yet, unless you know something I don't. :wink:
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grampacharlie
Nov 6, 2006, 3:15 PM
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I"ve used graphite for both cams and biners. Most hardware stores have this stuff, and it's the same lubricant that metolius puts in their cam lube, but it's suspended in something.
Plain graphite is a dry lubricant, won't attract dirt, and as far as I know will not harm slings.
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jgloporto
Nov 6, 2006, 3:25 PM
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I think lube/graphite might make the action on the biner gates to loose and could increase fluttering if one of them unlocked. If you have screw gates, you would want to make sure that you don't lube the sleeve which could make it easier to come unlocked.
I just clean them once a year or so by soaking them for a few minutes in gasoline. Stirr lightly and remove and let them air out. This also makes a wonderful broth which can be used as an appetizer or main course for a light meal...
Joe
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reno
Nov 6, 2006, 3:51 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: get wiregates. problem solved I haven't seen any wiregate lockers yet, unless you know something I don't. :wink:
Duct tape. ;)
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scrapedape
Nov 6, 2006, 3:59 PM
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In reply to: I"ve used graphite for both cams and biners. Most hardware stores have this stuff, and it's the same lubricant that metolius puts in their cam lube, but it's suspended in something. Plain graphite is a dry lubricant, won't attract dirt, and as far as I know will not harm slings.
In reply to: I think lube/graphite might make the action on the biner gates to loose and could increase fluttering if one of them unlocked. |
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scrapedape
Nov 6, 2006, 4:01 PM
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In reply to: I think lube/graphite might make the action on the biner gates to loose and could increase fluttering if one of them unlocked. |
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grampacharlie
Nov 6, 2006, 4:03 PM
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I could be wrong about the cam lube, it's been a while since I've used the stuff, but I will stand by the fact that graphite is awesome, and doesn't attract dirt.
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jgloporto
Nov 6, 2006, 4:36 PM
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I can't believe someone through a turd at my post. This is a matter of personal preference as far as I am concerned.
Use mayonaise to lube your biners for all I care.
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jgloporto
Nov 6, 2006, 5:38 PM
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[quote="scrapedape"]In reply to: In reply to: I think lube/graphite might make the action on the biner gates to loose and could increase fluttering if one of them unlocked. I think that a sticky biner gate might not close completely, which would be a much bigger problem than gate flutter.
No one is saying don't clean your biners... but there is more than one way to skin a cat. If you want to spend money on cam lube go right ahead.
J
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catbird_seat
Nov 6, 2006, 9:20 PM
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Gate flutter is a function of spring tension and gate mass. Lubrication should not have an effect. In fact, it is quite important that the gate not stick. White Lightning should work great. Just clean off the excess and let the solvent evaporate.
More importantly, go climbing right away. It will make you feel good.
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gunkiemike
Nov 6, 2006, 10:06 PM
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In reply to: Erm. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,472,625.PN.&OS=PN/5,472,625&RS=PN/5,472,625 Good for slings? Not so much. [snip] The solvent may be selected from aromatics such as Toluene and Xylene or from chlorinated hydrocarbon solvents such as Perchloroethylene, as well as Naphthas, Pentane and Hexane. [snip] Need I say more?
Too bad you couldn't say more. Specifically that all these solvents have no effect on nylon. They also evaporate quickly.
And there is definitely NOT graphite in Met. Cam Lube. Graphite is black, MCL is white.
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scrapedape
Nov 6, 2006, 10:45 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Erm. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,472,625.PN.&OS=PN/5,472,625&RS=PN/5,472,625 Good for slings? Not so much. [snip] The solvent may be selected from aromatics such as Toluene and Xylene or from chlorinated hydrocarbon solvents such as Perchloroethylene, as well as Naphthas, Pentane and Hexane. [snip] Need I say more? Too bad you couldn't say more. Specifically that all these solvents have no effect on nylon. They also evaporate quickly. |
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dontmaytagme
Nov 6, 2006, 10:48 PM
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True that I could have elaborated more .. I was secretly hoping that the populace would check the USPTO and see that the White Lightning / MCL variety of wax lubrication is not terribly harmful for slings .. I just wouldn't go directly apply the lubricant to the 'biner while slung on a sling.
If I were to lubricate my slings .. Teflon will do the trick! :lol:
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chh
Nov 20, 2006, 2:01 PM
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I'll definitely second the graphite. WAY better than White Lighting IMHO. White Lighting does work, and I have used it, but graphite is cheaper, lasts longer, and does more to prevent sand buildup I think.
And I'll also agree that going climbing will definitely make you feel better
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