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jumpingrock


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Hunter in Montana supposedly took this. I'm going with fake but just curious more enlightened opinions.
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I think it's "BS" not "PS"...

...and I'm going with PS. err, BS. Cool photo though. I'll check snopes.


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Kind of big for an eagle. I say PS/BS.


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Ahh ok, so I'm slow this morning... PS, got it. Flame away.

Can't find anything on snopes, but I agree with Jet, my first thought was damn that's a big eagle.


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There is something on the snopes message board (found it on google) but I can't read it since it is blocked here at work.


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According to Peterson's Guide Goldys can reach a wingspan of 7 2/3 feet, so the scale may be correct. I've also held a young Goldy and it was Gigundo! I'm just wondering how the fox got into that position pre-strike (looks like the goldy's talons haven't sunk in yet), yet..... the fox does not look like it's in the typical pounce (nose down) position for the magpie. I'll reserve judgement.


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I'm thinking photoshop.
Too many squares that look like a cut and paste job to cover up something.

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thomasribiere


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the fox' front paws are absent from the pic.

the fox would try to fight the eagle so its head would be tilted on the side as well as its whole rachis

the eagle would have catched the prow by the neck/back, probably not by the hind legs and anus.

I say the fow is PS, the eagle and magpie being maybe on the original picture.


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JetTeach wrote:
There is something on the snopes message board (found it on google) but I can't read it since it is blocked here at work.

The message board basicallt says it's totally possible and that photo is real. Goldies do get that big and
snopes wrote:
Their prey includes marmots, hares and mice, and sometimes birds, martens, foxes and young deer.

Apparently their technique is to swoop in and break the animal's back in place, then eat it.

http://www.arkive.org/...html?movietype=rpMed

This movie shows an eagle eating a deer and then later actually flying with a fox in it's grip.

Concensus on that board is that the eagle was most likely trying to scare the fox off the carcass though, not trying to attack it.


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thomasribiere wrote:
the fox' front paws are absent from the pic.


That is sufficient enough evidence for me. It totally PS.

(Although I'm not sure exactly as to what Phone Sex has to do with the picture.)


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I'm not that enlightened, but I'd guess that it could possibly be real. It looks like a young fox with his paws in the snow, and a big eagle.

At the same time, do hunters really carry cameras with presumably long lenses out into the wild?


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That photo seems perfectly real for me. There's nothing unusual about it, eagles have been used for centuries for fox and wolf hunting in Central Asia. Many falconers from all over the world travel to Kazakhstan (spelling?) and Mongolia to experience hunting big game with those birds.

And it's not just falconry eagles, wild golden eagles predate on adult foxes, and even bigger mamals, I remember a spanish footage on a golden eagle grabbing a sheep with its claws and dropping it on a cliff so the fall would kill it.

Edited: to add these pics from Mongolian Falconers:

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/fe7c.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/3ab9.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/35b7.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/4a2c.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/3043.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/d60b.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/...b106/lagr01/e83d.jpg

Edited 2: check this slideshow about eagles hunting wolves and foxes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSYOKPUIIqY

Edited 3: funny, I found the video on youtube, had not seen it for more than 15 years, it wasn't a sheep actually (a wild mountain goat?), but it's still impressive, just fast forward until 3:48 minutes have been played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl-ATFdQ7fw


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jumpingrock wrote:
Hunter in Montana supposedly took this. I'm going with fake but just curious more enlightened opinions.


I'm pretty sure it's a PS chop job. I copied the image, and with a little work, it became pretty obvious what the original looked like.

I've attached what I think is the original at the bottom.
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LaughLaughLaugh This is a definitve proof I guess!


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climbsomething wrote:
I'm not that enlightened, but I'd guess that it could possibly be real. It looks like a young fox with his paws in the snow, and a big eagle.

At the same time, do hunters really carry cameras with presumably long lenses out into the wild?
While I was not carrying a camera at the time (and I was NOT hunting) I once walked right up on a Goldy on a kill. When it took off it about scared the shidt out of me. Think: Great, huge WUMPF! with attendant atmospheric pressure change on the first wing beats. I also once had a Sharp Shinned or Cooper's hawk take a bird on the wing right next to my head...but that's another story. Right place, right time.


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styndall wrote:
jumpingrock wrote:
Hunter in Montana supposedly took this. I'm going with fake but just curious more enlightened opinions.


I'm pretty sure it's a PS chop job. I copied the image, and with a little work, it became pretty obvious what the original looked like.

I've attached what I think is the original at the bottom.

Ha ha ha...fuckin classic!

Holyjeebusmothermonkeyfuck those are some big ass birds!!


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i'll bet that can be real. if it's fake they did a pretty good job in PS. The eagle does get that big. The fox's feet are buried in the snow.


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lagr01 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSYOKPUIIqY

Edited 3: funny, I found the video on youtube, had not seen it for more than 15 years, it wasn't a sheep actually (a wild mountain goat?), but it's still impressive, just fast forward until 3:48 minutes have been played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl-ATFdQ7fw

the video is really cool especially the time mentioned.


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I don't believe one second that the paws are burried in he snow. Or if they are, the fox lost them! Besides, why would they been burried at such an angle?

Second, the eagle, though it's not easy to say (and that's the interest of the picture), seems to be right over the carrion, while the supposedly burried fow paws would be behind the carrion.

third, I have a problem with the shadows. though it's hard to explain.

Another thing, though the fox belly looks a bit reddish, the lips remain perfectly white.

But of course, this is pure speculation.


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Looks genuine enough to me.

As someone who uses photoshop for a living, I'd say that it's not impossible that it's a fake. But this image would have been very, very difficult to produce by compositing two other images.

The lighting seems consistent, there's no sign of haloing or blurring where the complex edges of the fox's fur overlap the bird, and no unexpected artifacts or giveaways when the channels are LAB separated.

Apart from all that, it's possible. But you;d have to be pretty damn lucky to find two separate shots of two separate animals which had identical lighting as these do.


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tradman wrote:
Looks genuine enough to me.

As someone who uses photoshop for a living, I'd say that it's not impossible that it's a fake. But this image would have been very, very difficult to produce by compositing two other images.

The lighting seems consistent, there's no sign of haloing or blurring where the complex edges of the fox's fur overlap the bird, and no unexpected artifacts or giveaways when the channels are LAB separated.

Apart from all that, it's possible. But you;d have to be pretty damn lucky to find two separate shots of two separate animals which had identical lighting as these do.

that seems to apply to the overall good looks of the image. I agree with you that the lighting would be hard to find on separate occasions and hard to blend in PS.


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