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spoon


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"Ohhhhh, it's not consistant, it flares, there aren't any good pockets."

There there little girl, i think i have a set of stairs for you to climb that's right about your speed.


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haha, damn roight spoon!


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so let me get this straight...in order for a climb to be good, at least in camheads opinion, it has to be consistent and similar all the way through????


HAHAHAHAHA!!! thats IS the beauty of granite. constantly changing. never the same. always new. long cracks in tuolomne...hmmmm i LOVE that shit. change your technique and style with almost every move!! YEA!!!! keep that mofo interesting


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it really blows that you think that way because granite is the only rock that is actually climbable...pussy
-eric


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What a contraDICKtion!!! I'm a "pussy" because I climb rock that is not climbable!!!! That is the best compliment I've gotten for a while!

honestly, though the response to this thread has been impressive. I've met nobody yet that shares my xenophobic narrowmindedness, but several people have offered to personally ENLIGHTEN me.
Thanks, truly.,
Paul


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Hi Paul,
I have got to disagree. I just lead my first pitch of 5.8 in Tahquitz and it made me think pretty hard. You have to climb granite like Tahquitz and Yosemite way different than any other kind of climbing that I have done. It takes a variation of moves and techniques that make it much more interesting and difficult.


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Pusherem, I will, for civility's sake, let you explain your statement "granite is the only rock that is climbable" before I rip into you like last week's mail. I may be a big fan of granite, but just what in the hell do you mean??


dantman


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You need to come play on some granite in Maine and New Hampshire. We love our granite


atg200


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It appears you haven't been to the South Platte or Yosemite yet - both of which have splitters that compare favorably to Indian Creek in terms of pureness and lack of faceholds.

Personally, I enjoy climbing on granite most of all, but the most rewarding climbing i've ever done has always been on desert sandstone towers. I like Indian Creek too, but that is for rest days in between the real climbing on towers


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Granite forms in such a way that makes it great to climb. It's all because of the crystals.

And by the way (call me picky if you want):

1.) Granite is not volcanic - Grainite is igneous formed from "magma" below the ground while volcanic rocks are formed from "lava" above ground

2.) Tertiary rock are only those in the last 65 million years (Sorry Krusty!)- Coconutz is right in saying that the granites are some of the worlds oldest rocks - They are “Cambrian” and “Pre-Cambrian” (he is correct in the age - over 500 million years old)

3.) I will ignore the awful and incorrect use of the word "non-conformify"

Sorry about all that - it just had to be said!


sparky


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poor deprived me, i have never climbed granite


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eh, i think that paul is just bitter about moving from Utah to Dallas ...

just my .02 ..


dsafanda


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Let's get the standard disclaimer out of the way first. Yes, this conversation is ridiculous and I think we (well most of us apart from camhead)would agree that all types of rock offer fantastc climbing.

That said...as if we really need one, here's another defense of granite. What continuous sandstone cliff do you know of that tower 3000' off the deck? Ask Tommy Caldwell which splitter crack he prefers...the Salathe headwall on ElCap or some 1-3 pitch IndianCreek line?

I think I know the answer.


cedk


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Maybe granite isn't over-rated it's just that other kinds of rock are under-rated.

Personally I think if anything's over-rated it's Krispy Kreme donuts. I mean they're good but they're still just donuts.


dsafanda


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atg200


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Sure, but what is granite's answer to the Titan or the Totem Pole? There are walls in Zion and the Wadi Rum that are a lot closer in size to El Cap than the largest free standing granite spires are to the sheer skinniness of sandstone towers.

Anybody freed both Moonlight Buttress and Salathe and want to comment? Comparing El Cap to Indian Creek is like comparing Angels Landing to the Cookie Cliff.


dsafanda


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That's a good point.

Still, Moonlight is only a third the size of ElCap. I guess my point was simply that if you've ever experienced the expanse of a giant granite wall you probably wouldn't be criticizing granite rock as having "little to offer."

btw. I think we're going to have to look pretty hard to find someone who has freed both Salathe and Moonlight. You could count them on one hand if there are any.



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thats quite a statement.


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damn Andrew, "Indian Creek on rest days?" now THAT is masocistic aid climber jargon if I've heard any!


chadplusplus


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Come on Sparky. How can you live in Lakewood and have never climbed Granite? Must... look... beyond... table mountain...


winkwinklambonini


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Just like a climber, good rock will bring it all to the show, perfect edges, splitter cracks, nasty runnout slab. Granite is king(windgate is queen), and it's taller than everything else.


crackwhore


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oh camhead art thou sooo disappointed with
E-rock???

just treat it as roped bouldering.

try the following hit list:

False Determination, Ding Dongs and Taco Sauce, Texas Crude, Shrike, Fear of Flying,
Tonka Toys from Hell, Welcome to Boot Camp.

Granite (Quartz Monzonite to be exact) not so bad???


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I haven't gotten out to e-rock, actually. I'v heard cool stuff, though.


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Climbing.... Like some things in life are not for everyone. Climbing wil give someone a false sence of knowledge, and to gain this knowledge you must experience it. If you refuse to get out of your comfort zone by not exposing yourself, you will never grow.
Expose yourselfThrive on challenge, and don't cry about what the rock does to you. You should shout what you can do with the rock.

Doghere


aarong


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How can you eliminate an entire type of rock? Man, that really narrows down your climbing options. I'd rather be fluent at all types of climbing and find things I like about all types of rock. What makes the best climbers, is versatility.

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