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sticky_fingers
Feb 27, 2008, 4:30 PM
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Ok, I'll admit it. I saw the add in Climbing, I entered my email info on the site. Yesterday I got an email with a price quote (for WHAT??? there was still no description of what it is), and just today saw what the hell 512vgrip "is" because the site now has video.
First thoughts, um...I seriously thought the guy in the video was a fake/joke because of his accent and Bono-like sunglasses (I think I'm wrong?). Then after watching him demonstrate how it works, I thought, well why couldn't you make a 512vgrip out of a strip of plywood and save yourself ~$200?
Anybody else see this?
edit for link cuz i dum
http://www.512vgrip.com
(This post was edited by sticky_fingers on Feb 27, 2008, 4:44 PM)
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flint
Feb 27, 2008, 4:43 PM
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link please?
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unrooted
Feb 27, 2008, 4:54 PM
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That is awesome, a piece of 4x4 with a bunch of threaded inserts. I've thought about having something like that in the past, but I definately never thought about paying for one.
The same goes for hangboards, instead of paying for one why not just get a 3'x2'x3/4" peice of plywood, a box of t-nuts and the exact holds you want? Might end up costing you the same as a hangboard, but you can customize it.
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sticky_fingers
Feb 27, 2008, 5:00 PM
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I did just that a while ago. Problem was I wasn't disciplined enough to use it. I think I got the holds for free (check the mags, sometimes companies offer a free set), and the wood was a few bucks.
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gt29905
Feb 27, 2008, 6:01 PM
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Wow, this is another good example of how small the climbing community is. I actually know Tim and watched as he came up with the idea and then cranked out a couple of models. He's a good guy and I hope this goes well for him. I've used the device and it's great. Training with it has a very different feel than using a hangboard. I think this device is a lot more versatile than a hangboard and allows a climber to really isolate specific muscle groups that they wish to strengthen.
Yes, I am trying to help support my friend so save your flaming. If your buddy went through all the trouble to create, patent, and then distribute a helpful piece of training equipment wouldn't you put in some honest words of support?
I didn't see the price on the link but if it is set at 200.00 then I think he should lower it to around a hundred.
(This post was edited by gt29905 on Feb 27, 2008, 6:04 PM)
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bennydh
Feb 27, 2008, 6:38 PM
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This is awesome, I'm going to put it right next to my climbing treadmill. Although, I might have to move my stack of urban climbers to make some room for the bow flex ill be attaching it to.
This would sell so much better if chuck norris endorsed it.
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shimanilami
Feb 27, 2008, 6:51 PM
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It would be great for a climbing gym. I think I'll suggest it.
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sidepull
Feb 27, 2008, 8:17 PM
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not impressed.
there are a lot of physiological reasons why this is a suboptimal training stimulus, but I think the two biggest problems are: 1) most commerical gyms (think 24 hour fitness) would never let you connect that contraption to their lat pull machines 2) you're really just working your lats with a mild effect on your fingers - think about it, are you going to go until your lats fail or fingers blow off (if you think it's the latter then re-read point #1).
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rhei
Feb 28, 2008, 2:56 AM
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So, the question this gizmo seems to raise is whether this approach to grip training has merit. No, it's not climbing and it's not movement training, but then, neither is a hangboard. But a lot of people incorporate hangboards as part of a weekly or periodic workout cycle.
Among the long-standing points argued in favor of hangboard training has been that repeated use leads to improved finger strength and stronger connective tissue, as well as an improved grip endurance. Would this do likewise or offer any additional benefits? Sidepull seems to feel it primarily exercises the lats, with only a minor benefit to finger strength or grip (and without ever having tried one, I'd say it looks like that's right). But combining it with an adjustable pull-down machine means sets involving lower weight/higher reps can be done. Wouldn't that lead to improved endurance?
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miavzero
Feb 28, 2008, 5:05 AM
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"Within four weeks of using the
5.12 V-Grip, I progressed from a
5.11 climber to a working 5.12"
- Tim Cook
Exercise Physiologist
Awesome, this guy went from not being able to do 5.12, to not being able to do 5.12.
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gt29905
Feb 28, 2008, 6:09 AM
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Widegrip pulldowns work many different muscle groups, not just the lats. This training device can be used to simulate an infinite variety of pulling motions that are all relevant to climbing. Combine that with crimp strenght training and the ability to train for power or endurance or the inbetween and you've got a good product. He just needs to come down on the price and make the item look a little less home made.
The Bono shade are another matter all together.
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grimbo
Feb 28, 2008, 4:36 PM
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I have used the V-grip extensively and have had great results with it. We do not have a climbing gym in our town (Boone, NC) and being in the mountains, we don’t always have the best climbing weather in the winter. I am a member of the gym that Tim works out of and became good friends with him because of our shared interest in climbing and training. Tim is extremely knowledgeable about physiology and training, and he posses a number of black belts in Kung Fu. He asked me to give a testimonial to the validity of the V-grip, and since I use it, and like it, I agreed. I started out using the device like Tim shows on the video, with higher weights and longer movements. I used it this way for a while, but what I was really missing in the gym was a good forearm workout. I found that by using lighter weight (60 – 90 lbs), higher reps (40 – 60) and shorter movements you can get a mind blowing forearm pump. An added bonus is that you really have to focus your attention when using the smaller holds so that it doesn’t blow right out of your hands. I think his intent is to sell these to fitness centers and climbing gyms that have a lat pull down machine. They say that variety is the spice of life, and that is especially true with training. The V-grip adds just a little spice, and a slight reminder of climbing, to what could be a monotonous workout.
Mike Grimm
Misty Mountain Threadworks
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beesknees
Feb 28, 2008, 6:21 PM
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the mustache makes the glasses OK.
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joswald
Feb 28, 2008, 10:31 PM
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200 dollars.
i aint american and it would be even more overpriced where i live!!!
bloody ridiculous.
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anykineclimb
Feb 28, 2008, 11:18 PM
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$200 sounds waay steep
You could easily make your own with 2 2x4s and some Tnuts. or use some Rock Rings?
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lena_chita
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Feb 29, 2008, 3:07 PM
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I find it curious how contraptions like these always get called 5.12-something.
Somehow they never get called 5.14vgrip...
Maybe because the idea is to harvest money from the "5.12 wanna-be's" who are still thinking that it's all the matter of developing grip strength and bigger lats that will get them to that magical 5.12 grade...
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wannabe
Feb 29, 2008, 4:01 PM
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Did an image of Will Ferrell pop into anyone elses head while watching that guy talk about his 5.12vgrip?
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flint
Mar 2, 2008, 10:03 PM
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lena_chita wrote: I find it curious how contraptions like these always get called 5.12-something. Somehow they never get called 5.14vgrip... Maybe because the idea is to harvest money from the "5.12 wanna-be's" who are still thinking that it's all the matter of developing grip strength and bigger lats that will get them to that magical 5.12 grade...
now i need to know the secret.... please
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