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justthemaid
Jul 18, 2008, 2:30 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: 9x $20 =$180 paypal or money order?
Do these cams get the Sabet Seal of approval??
Sabet Seal says: "SAFETY FIRST!"
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justthemaid
Jul 18, 2008, 2:34 PM
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I think I'll send the orange one (not in photo) in for a pull test out of curiosity. The lobes are kinda loose and wanky on that one in comparison to the rest of the set.
Cull the weak one from the herd I say.
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majid_sabet
Jul 20, 2008, 5:33 AM
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I consider most cams to handle 5KN to no more than 10 KN max during leader fall. I think those will handle 5 so I will buy them all.
At least I could use them for training with my students and any cams is better than no cam .
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stymingersfink
Jul 20, 2008, 5:40 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: I consider most cams to handle 5KN to no more than 10 KN max during leader fall. I think those will handle 5 so I will buy them all. At least I could use them for training with my students and any cams is better than no cam .
sometimes NUTS are better than any cam.
2bad4u you've gotta rely on any cams over no cams.
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justthemaid
Jul 21, 2008, 2:14 PM
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On closer inspection- they actually seem more well-made than the BF's Rock Empires, so I'll hang onto them for now.
Majid- if I change my mind I'll drop you an e-mail and let you have them.
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dingus
Jul 21, 2008, 2:35 PM
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Teaser.
They looked fine to me in the pics.
I wonder if 'cheap eastern European' is somehow BETTER than 'cheaper China' made?
Name brand don't mean shit anymore. Product allegience isn't warranted, nor deserved.
DMT
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majid_sabet
Jul 21, 2008, 4:25 PM
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dingus wrote: Teaser. They looked fine to me in the pics. I wonder if 'cheap eastern European' is somehow BETTER than 'cheaper China' made? Name brand don't mean shit anymore. Product allegience isn't warranted, nor deserved. DMT
Traditionally, the eastern European made stuff is better than most Chinese made because most eastern made Mfgs have to compete with other domestic European competitor. The Chinese way of thinking is “better price & lower cost” while most European and Americans always focus on quality vs quantity.
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majid_sabet
Jul 21, 2008, 4:32 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: majid_sabet wrote: I consider most cams to handle 5KN to no more than 10 KN max during leader fall. I think those will handle 5 so I will buy them all. At least I could use them for training with my students and any cams is better than no cam . bullshit. sometimes NUTS are better than any cam. 2bad4u you've gotta rely on any cams over no cams.
We were talking about cams in here and not nuts. Even due sometimes nuts work better than cams, the cable size is what limits their KN rating and not the fat piece of aluminum block at the end.
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stymingersfink
Jul 21, 2008, 5:50 PM
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majid_sabet wrote: stymingersfink wrote: majid_sabet wrote: I consider most cams to handle 5KN to no more than 10 KN max during leader fall. I think those will handle 5 so I will buy them all. At least I could use them for training with my students and any cams is better than no cam . bullshit. sometimes NUTS are better than any cam. 2bad4u you've gotta rely on any cams over no cams. We were talking about cams in here and not nuts. Even due sometimes nuts work better than cams, the cable size is what limits their KN rating and not the fat piece of aluminum block at the end.
if someone would like to explain my statement to the eunuch, feel free. I'm not going to bother.
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the_climber
Jul 21, 2008, 7:37 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: majid_sabet wrote: *snip* if someone would like to explain my statement to the eunuch, feel free. I'm not going to bother.
^^^
Quote worthy!
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donald949
Jul 23, 2008, 11:20 PM
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They look a lot like the Camp air cam listed above, but the lobes are a little different. However, the axle attachment to the lobes looks exactly the same.
They also look like these HB flexi fit cams.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/gear/Detailed/663.html
They also look like these Ucun metal jacket cam.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/gear/Detailed/553.html
I'm thinking they're stamped out at a factory and branded as desired. Camp/HB/Ocun/your name here. Much like Camp/Trango ball nuts. They look like new old stock to me also.
Don
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qtm
Aug 11, 2008, 9:04 PM
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ryanb wrote: The heads look identical to the head on a forged stem cam branded as "acme climbing" (or maybe "climb axe"?) and taged with a goat they used to sell at pagan in moab...
I visited the Pagan Gear store in Portland a couple years back and they had those cams in stock, as well as FCU/TCU knockoffs. All were labeled "CLIMB" as pictured as far as I remember. I had asked, they said they were custom made/branded for them. They also said "Climb Axe" was their name, but the the domain was already taken so they chose Pagan Gear.
I played with one and they were a little sticky and wobbly, nowhere near as smooth as BD or Metolius cams.
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evanwish
Aug 12, 2008, 10:14 PM
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these are Acme Climbing cams...
i know this cause i have one :/
hhahhahaha it was the first cam i ever bought..
i have the size #4.5
and it accually has taken a few falls and been used many many times, but i still like my black diamond better
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evanwish
Aug 14, 2008, 5:11 AM
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turns out it was the solid stem version.. i forgot.. but if you look at the lobes, the axil, and the whole head, it's all the same...
the sling says "Pagan Gear"
while the free carabiner that came with it says "Ace Climbing", while the company i bought it from was, "Acme Climbing"
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