He should meet our BooBoo.

this one?

What a circular and incoherent rant!

That argument doesn't make any sense. You both want to protect areas by making them public yet the person that owns it gets to do whatever she wants. So who decides what is protected, the owner or the government? What happens when they take away ownership? But ownership is the most important thing? Only an evil gub'ment would take away ownership.

I think I'll try to convince the government that your house is a historical landmark and that it should be protected from you. You could form a support group with Ken.

Rest assured however, that I am resolute not only in my opinion, but equally in my belief that I am right and you are wrong.

Ken Nichols seems like a real kook. My take is be sensative and respectful of local practice, law, etc. ...and then if all is kosher, bolt away.

Now there's some really bad advice when it comes to CT...

Thanks man!

Now there's some really bad advice when it comes to CT...

Why is it bad advice when it comes to CT? From reading this and other threads, it seems like the local practice in CT is don't bolt anything. Mounter's advice was, be sensitive to local practice, and if it is kosher then bolt - since it's not kosher according to local practice, it seems Mounter's advice is "don't bolt it". How is that bad advice?

Any advice related to CT that contains the phrase "bolt away" in any context is less than helpful, however well-meaning...

So if someone asked me if it was OK to bolt in CT, and I responded with...

"Sure, if you're 12 feet tall and piss rainbows, bolt away!"

Would that be bad advice?

He chops the bolts, grinds them smooth, grinds up some rock, and covers them over.

Well, if this is true, then that's quite an intense restoration.

here is a little quote from sam todzia a long time CT climber i found this on
mountainproject...i think it sums it up
"Leaders should never assume fixed protection will be in place before getting on a climb, even if the piece/pin/bolt was there yesterday, it could be gone today. Fixed pro is a fickle subject in CT; any bolt placed will most likely find itself faithfully smashed/removed in a timely fashion.
Top rope anchors can be made using protection, although sometimes requiring a little creativity. However, most will lug an extra static rope along to access the trees at the cliff tops. This can get heavy if you intend on setting up more than one climb at some crags, such as the main cliff, where trees can be as far as 50 or more feet back from the cliff edge. A minimum of 100 feet static rope or webbing is recommended. One should never use a single point anchor on any of these trees because they are typically fragile and sparse, if we kill them, you’ll need to lug even more static line. Perhaps, in another lifetime, fixed anchors will finally be considered acceptable and climbers and trees alike can rejoice!!

I thought about adding more about CT's "rich" history of ethical stubbornness, but I figured that if I did, then people might not take the description seriously. At the same time, CT climbing is pathetically trying to hold onto its past. There is no room for climbing to move forward to what it is today. High end sport climbing is not unavailable here, its just not allowed. Thats the reason there is nothing harder than the two 5.13s or so (that no ones climbing, by the way). I think climbers here are also scared that the sport will get more popular if it is allowed to develop into sport climbing. Maybe Ken Nichols is scarred people will forget about his achievements if people start zipping up 5.13s. He wants us to keep it like it was in his heyday in the 70's and 80's. Thing is...its not the 70's and 80's. Climbing has progressed! and while CT doesn't have a lot to offer, it has a lot of untapped potential. I guess I'm just hoping that because I'm gonna live here for the rest of my life, I'd like to be able to climb in the way that I love. Sort of a tease otherwise"

Well, that "rich history of ethical stubborness" has sustained endless hard lines I suspect most of your camp could never come up with the goods to get on, let alone climb.

two 5.13's that nobody is getting on doesn't sound like "endless hard lines". either way i dont belong to any "camp" just trying to find out the local climate in my home state. like i said in my opening post trad rules and im learning to place gear and lead trad slowly so please dont paint me into a corner with some kook with a drill and no regard for local practice

Yeah... Endless potential... That's hilarious. Let me start by saying, I absolutely love CT climbing. Now, with that said, CT climbing is crap. It's chossy, it's falling apart, the gear all sucks, it's sandbagged, and it's all small. I don't understand people trying to make CT something that it isn't. It'll just be chossy, short, blocky, sandbagged routes, with bolts on them. Either love it or what it is, or don't climb it. I mean there's so much good stuff around, go climb it. Farley, Rumney, North conway, Gunks. In any bigger sate no one think twice about driving 2-4 hours for some world class climbing, but in CT people whine because they want it here. The other factor is access. Everything in connecticut has access problem. THe better the cliff, the worse the access problems. So we're gonna add bolts, attract more gumbies and get cliffs shut down, that'd be awesome, let's do that.

two 5.13's that nobody is getting on doesn't sound like "endless hard lines". either way i dont belong to any "camp" just trying to find out the local climate in my home state. like i said in my opening post trad rules and im learning to place gear and lead trad slowly so please dont paint me into a corner with some kook with a drill and no regard for local practice