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krosbakken
Nov 18, 2008, 12:25 AM
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I need a stove and I am wondering what fuel people like.
Im looking at a stove with white gas or white gas varieties.
Or a stove that runs on butane.
What fuel type do you like?
And what is cheaper and easier to use?
Thanks,
Andrew
Edit:
I NEED A BACKPACKING STOVE.
(This post was edited by krosbakken on Nov 18, 2008, 1:40 AM)
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climbingaggie03
Nov 18, 2008, 1:00 AM
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backpacking summer? or backpacking winter?
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Neel
Nov 18, 2008, 1:01 AM
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krosbakken wrote: I NEED A BACKPACKING STOVE. IM LOOKING AT MSR STOVES.
i like my MSR Whisperlite. i have the international, but the regular whisperlite is fine if you're just using white fuel
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Myxomatosis
Nov 18, 2008, 1:04 AM
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You need one where you can hook two knives under the heat
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Nov 18, 2008, 1:15 AM
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I have Primus Multifuel. It works on all sorts of liquid fuel, or propane cans - whatever you can find. Doesn't simmer well though.
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suilenroc
Nov 18, 2008, 1:23 AM
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I second the MSR Whisperlite...  you won't be unhappy with this stove!
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a-e-jones
Nov 18, 2008, 1:33 AM
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jet boil PCS or MSR reactor/dragon fly are what i'd use
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krosbakken
Nov 18, 2008, 1:38 AM
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Thanks for the recommendation but I am asking about the fuel.
What is better and/or cheaper?? White gas or butane??
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petsfed
Nov 18, 2008, 1:39 AM
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If you're a backpack gourmet, the whisperlite is gonna leave you wanting more.
I own a Superfly which is an awesome canister stove, its small enough that I can carry it when I climb, but not so small as to be unstable a la the Pocket Rocket. The only problems are that the canisters can't be refilled, and you don't get as many hours of flame from the same weight as a white gas stove, and canisters don't like cold weather. There is, however, nothing funnier than the shriek from your partner when they don't realize that its their turn to keep the fuel warm until they wake up in the morning. White gas is undeniably cheaper though. For the same price, i can get a gallon of white gas as a single, small canister of MSR fuel.
I also own a Brunton Optimus, which is the Brunton equivalent to the MSR Dragonfly. I've always been VERY impressed with the Dragonfly, although it is incredibly noisy. It just cooks things fast, and has an adjustable flame so you can go all gourmet style on your dehydrated stroganoff.
For cold weather, simple boil-water type meals, you can't go wrong with the Whisperlite.
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krosbakken
Nov 18, 2008, 1:41 AM
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Both but Im more looking for your opinion on the fuel types.
White gas stoves
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Butane
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suilenroc
Nov 18, 2008, 1:44 AM
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In reply to: What is better and/or cheaper?? White gas or butane??
The initial cost of White gas will be higher... you need a fuel bottle 22oz will run you roughly $13 and a can of fuel will be around $10.
The Isopro canisters are roughly $5... There is yet an effective way to gauge the remaining fuel once you've used these.
Over a short period of time using a backpacking stove you are going to save money going white gas..
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petsfed
Nov 18, 2008, 1:44 AM
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Yeah, i edited my post to address that. White gas is cheaper, likes cold weather more, but typically limits you on flame adjustability and leads to a much fussier stove.
Canister stoves are easier to work with, but the fuel is pricier, and really dislikes cold weather.
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krosbakken
Nov 18, 2008, 1:46 AM
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petsfed wrote: I've always been VERY impressed with the Dragonfly, although it is incredibly noisy. It just cooks things fast,
Agreed, I have used this but hate that it is so noisy. But does cook fast. Its just a little over my price range.
In reply to: White gas is cheaper, likes cold weather more, but typically limits you on flame adjustability and leads to a much fussier stove. Canister stoves are easier to work with, but the fuel is pricier, and really dislikes cold weather.
Thank you for this. This is the response I was looking for, thank you.
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julio412
Nov 18, 2008, 2:02 AM
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Even though cannisters are more expensive,I'd recommend them.
Cost I believe is secondary to usablity.
Cannisters you can use in a tent,gas; I wouldn't recommend it.
Diesel no matter how well you pack it -leaks and stinks.
Unless you're doing a huge amount of cooking and plan mostly fair weather stuff,then I'd recommend white gas.
If you're thinking winter tent bound- cannisters.
Snow hole- MSR XGK
International- cannisters, they seem to be always around + it gives you an excuse to cruise the mtn. shops!
Ultralite-Jetboil ,haven't tried the Reactor.
I prefer a stove with a fuel line. as it allows you to move the cannister around and keep it warm when needed and as much as I've tried I've never have managed to blow myself up; I think the escaping fuel while you are cooking acts as a safety pressure release.
Hope this helps.
Winter is slowly coming to Moscow.
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USnavy
Nov 18, 2008, 2:16 AM
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What happened to good old propane? Your not going to find methane or white gas or some other exotic fuel at Wal-Mart when you run out in the middle of your camping trip thus making propane a good choice IMO.
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Nov 18, 2008, 2:44 AM
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Wal-Mart most definitely sells white gas its Coleman Camping fuel in a tin canister that is silver and red.
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a-e-jones
Nov 18, 2008, 3:09 AM
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butane (jetboil)
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Johnny_Fang
Nov 18, 2008, 3:33 AM
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make your own alcohol stove. it's free (practically). I've used mine for nearly 10 years now, no problems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage-can_stove
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Nov 18, 2008, 6:05 AM
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I'm a fan of white gas. and walmart definitely sells a shit ton of it cheap.
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fatoomchk
Nov 18, 2008, 10:27 AM
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Hi Andrew,
There is an excellent discussion on stoves, comparative merits of different fuels, boiling times, set-up times etc here: http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_Efficiency.htm
Obviously you will need to make a decision based on how you intend to use the stove (eg alpine, hiking, big walls, ski touring, car camping etc), and the location for use that might affect fuel choices.
FWIW, for group trips I use an MSR pocket rocket. For solo trips I use a Jet boil. For very long, remote trips I use an old MSR whisperlite internationale.
Good luck!
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clc
Nov 18, 2008, 2:05 PM
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below freezing the canisters suck ass. Though I think the new stoves might work almost as good as white gas. If its cold get white gas stove.
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Nov 18, 2008, 2:51 PM
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I'm a fan of white gas. Biggist thing is because its so easy to find. Stuck at the Red and need fuel? I bet you won't find many canisters at the local store, but they do have white gas.
I have a Whisperlite, my husband has a Dragonfly. Its hard to cook with a Whisperlite. Its a champ for boiling water, but it doesn't simmer worth a crap so it can be tricky for cooking sometimes. Dragonfly is more expensive, but IMO, much easier to cook with.
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Nov 18, 2008, 3:11 PM
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I have an older one of these that uses white gas or kerosene: http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___85210
It's not the lightest stove on the planet, but you don't need a separate fuel bottle for short trips. It simmers like a champ and isn't too fussy to operate. It's a bear to get all the gas out of at the end of a trip, so I don't take it on airplanes. For that, I take my MSR Superfly canister stove, and pick up a canister at my destination.
Kathy
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