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maculated
Feb 8, 2009, 8:57 PM
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So why is it that everyone loves my Max Cam, but no one wants to get them? Marketing? Fear? What?
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irregularpanda
Feb 8, 2009, 9:04 PM
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maculated wrote: So why is it that everyone loves my Max Cam, but no one wants to get them? Marketing? Fear? What?
Money. Did you want to give it to me?
People always hate on the max-cam, but I love that shit. It's easy to get stuck, but not if you have a calm head and know how to place it.
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maculated
Feb 8, 2009, 9:06 PM
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Exactly. But if there are people dropping bucks just because the C4s are the thing (I still have the previous generation of Camalots), they should be checking out the Max Cams. It drives me nuts.
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sungam
Feb 8, 2009, 9:25 PM
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I've had a number 2 maxcam for around 2 or 3 years now, wait, when did they come out? NThe xmas right after that.
Anyways, I've heard a lot of talk about how they could walk and then flop and pull. I've used mine a lot, in a lot of different rock, and have never had this happen. I've never even heard of it happening, but "they" say it could happen, right?
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coolcat83
Feb 8, 2009, 9:48 PM
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sungam wrote: I've heard a lot of talk about how they could walk and then flop and pull. I've used mine a lot, in a lot of different rock, and have never had this happen. I've never even heard of it happening, but "they" say it could happen, right?
I've played with one in a store it seems like if properly placed that wouldn't be a problem. Any cam without stops can have that happen, I think it just looks scary when its such a different design than what people are used to. I like trango stuff and would gladly use them if I had the money to get some.
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sungam
Feb 8, 2009, 9:52 PM
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I think the worry comes from if they are tipped out or something, but while I haven't seen my maxcam flop (as I call it) it seems to be normal operating procedure for my HB cams to flop.
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adatesman
Feb 8, 2009, 10:56 PM
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maculated
Feb 8, 2009, 11:05 PM
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Weird? No no no.
You're AWESOME. YOu respect the Max Cam.
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angry
Feb 8, 2009, 11:09 PM
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I don't have any of them but I'd be willing to drop yours into a chasm if you'd like.
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adatesman
Feb 8, 2009, 11:23 PM
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ryanb
Feb 8, 2009, 11:49 PM
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I was all excited about the max cams when they first came out because they use the power of MATH. Then I heard they walked and flipped and were a specialized tool for people who knew how to use them.
My rack is a mix of recent vintage bd, metolius, forged friends and pre-recall aliens. All simple proven designs. The only one of the modern extended range cams that meets that criteria is the super cam and it comes in 3 sizes and has a dual stem...I'll be interested when they make a really big or a really small one.
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maculated
Feb 8, 2009, 11:55 PM
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You, Angry, will never touch the Max Cam.
You know, I still get vaguely annoyed when my second #1 is missing. The alien is cool, but it ain't red. :)
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angry
Feb 8, 2009, 11:58 PM
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Did I get you a hybrid? I can't really remember.
I've got a few (like 9) pieces in the #1 size and I've got to say that I like the 1 better than everything but the purple alien.
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tradrenn
Feb 9, 2009, 12:00 AM
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maculated wrote: So why is it that everyone loves my Max Cam, but no one wants to get them? Marketing? Fear? What?
Maybe because stem is too soft/wobbly.
That's my reason for not wanting them.
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sungam
Feb 9, 2009, 12:10 AM
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Specialist item? Not sure about that, but then I've heard mastercams called specialist.
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Lazlo
Feb 9, 2009, 12:28 AM
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sungam
Feb 9, 2009, 12:36 AM
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tradrenn wrote: maculated wrote: So why is it that everyone loves my Max Cam, but no one wants to get them? Marketing? Fear? What? Maybe because stem is too soft/wobbly. That's my reason for not wanting them.
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irregularpanda
Feb 9, 2009, 1:31 AM
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adatesman wrote: Anyway, I've seen the flop happen and can do it at will when fiddling with a Maxcam in a parallel placement, but have never seen it happen in actual use.
I've seen that happen. Luckily didn't fall on it. Basically what I do when dealing with those Indian Creek type cracks, is I use the max-cam at the smaller end of it's range. That's it, it's simple.
Contrariwise---when using it in granite with some bump or divot in the crack, they tend to get stuck when placed in a hasty fashion.
Bottom line, use your brain when you climb with them.
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angry
Feb 9, 2009, 1:44 AM
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I have used Max Cams and don't like them. Too bad, when I first heard about them I was really looking forward to them.
Basically my problem is that to keep them in a safe range, you can't really use their expanded range. There's no range advantage at all when you talk "usable" range.
Not scared, I just don't see them as progress.
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maldaly
Feb 9, 2009, 2:58 AM
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Hey gang,
Thx for the props on the MaxCams. I think you have it right... you need to use your head when you place them. They'll definitely open up some placement options for you but if you're a "plug and go" kind of climber, you're probably better off with a symmetrical cam. BTW, Indian Creek is NOT the place where they shine. Regular cams work great there. The weirder the rock gets, the better the MaxCams work.
We're working on a very cool triggering concept that should allow anyone to "plug and go" with them. Might be next year before you see them though.
Aric... I love you. sure, you're weird, but you're the only other climber I've met who uses a # 5 TriCam. That thing RULES!!!! I find a way ccol placement for it nearly every pitch I climb. It weighs nothing and is indispensible for huecos and stacked blocks. My partners hate me for it. Dude, we've got to go climbing together. When are you coming back to Boulder?
Maculated... you coming out to RRR or ar you making so much money now that you can't take any time off?
Mal
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maculated
Feb 9, 2009, 3:09 AM
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Hey Mal . . .
Yishai was thinking he wanted to go since he's doing the Pine Mountain Pulldown AND the Climber Carnival this year. I keep going, "You don't need to go - I've been."
Maybe I will. Dunno.
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maldaly
Feb 9, 2009, 3:12 AM
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Please come...
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Valarc
Feb 9, 2009, 3:14 AM
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I'm not much of a gear climbing guy, but I am a total geek for the physics and engineering of how the things work. I have seen the "flop" described but never actually seen it in action - could someone post a picture or drawing of what's going on, to satisfy my curiosity without me having to buy a cam just to fiddle with?
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adatesman
Feb 9, 2009, 3:20 AM
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maldaly
Feb 9, 2009, 3:26 AM
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Sweet!!! When you here?
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