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tedman
Feb 9, 2009, 5:17 PM
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Just wondering if anyone has tried using a cinch instead of a grigri for this style of jugging/cleaning lines (one ascender, autolocking device, backup knots as seen in dr.pitons 'better way' articles). It seems like it would work, but figured the small differences in the devices might change things. Anyone tried it out?
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sspssp
Feb 9, 2009, 11:20 PM
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What size rope are you using?
I've jugged with a cinch before and liked it as well as using a grigri. However, the ropes that you tend to see used on big walls tend to be too fat for the cinch.
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bmcginnis
Feb 10, 2009, 8:35 AM
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I've used it with sucess. Though i'll run it through my petzl, to the cinch and back up to the peztl. A 2:1 if you will.
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Carnage
Feb 10, 2009, 6:46 PM
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i've never used it on a big wall or anything too serious, but when i have used cinch this way while jugging ropes to set routes at my gym (squishy floor + tall walls = no ladder)
basically i've found it to work just as well when going up. the only problem is that coming down is a little less controlled. its not a safety thing, but grigri lets me lower nice and smooth, while cinch is a little more jerky (no matter how much i seem to practice)
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tedman
Feb 10, 2009, 11:18 PM
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I was under the impression that a cinch had a wider range than grigri? 9.4-11 (cinch) as opposed to 10-11 (grigri)?
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sspssp
Feb 11, 2009, 10:39 PM
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I find that a ~10.2 is about as fat of rope as I like to use to rap or lower someone with the cinch. Sure, you can belay on a fatter rope and the device will lock off in a fall (extremely well actually), but you end up having to use your brake hand to pull the rope out of the top of the device.
I really like the cinch for newer, thinner ropes and would probably describe the rope range for the cinch as around 8.8~10.2, but your mileage may vary.
The poster above who is having a jerky lower in the gym is probably either using a first generation cinch (the redesign really improved the lowering) and/or it is the typical fat gym rope.
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stickyfingerz
Feb 11, 2009, 11:44 PM
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Also, if you redirect the brake strand through a carabiner on your leg loop, you can get a lot more control when on lower/rappel.
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