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roy_hinkley_jr
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dingus wrote: The problem herfe is I have used Leki ski helmets for a few years now and so I KNOW that this no comfort thing is bogus to the core.
You wear a Nordic Walking helmet? What a dork.
Shopping at REI is like going to Walmart and expecting service and selection. Camp makes a half dozen climbing helmets and other brands all have several. Yet at REI you're lucky if they carry one model (that you still don't specify) from one or two brands and then you whine about not getting a decent fit. Oooh, life is so hard that you actually have to adjust the chin pad and straps. Stick to nordic walking.
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dingus
Sep 4, 2009, 1:44 PM
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Blah blah blah REI Walmart blah blah blah
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dan2see
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My Petzl Meteor III looks so good, I don't have to climb anything anymore. I just sit on a rock, and look cool!
But even this thing doesn't sit straight on my head. The color is like camo -- after this photo, I dropped it in the junipers and we couldn't find it.
Later at the parking lot, I couldn't find a good place to put it down. It rolled (all by itself) and another car ran over it!
So I'm back to my CAMP with the missing chin-pad and cheapo Y-clamp.
(Edit to add)
Dingus is right -- Climbing helmets suck
-- (but we always wear them!)
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dingus
Sep 4, 2009, 2:35 PM
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Damn dude you look like Royal Robbins!
Come on... fess up Royal. It was MUNGE that ran over your helmet, down at Pinecrest, right?
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acorneau
Sep 4, 2009, 2:42 PM
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dingus wrote: Blah blah blah REI Walmart blah blah blah DMT
I'm glad to see you're finally understanding the gravity of the situation.
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dan2see
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dingus wrote: Damn dude you look like Royal Robbins! ...
Although I once wore a cool RR T-shirt. But the young crowd didn't know who that was, so my coolness was not appreciated.
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rockclimber919
Sep 4, 2009, 4:14 PM
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it sounds like a bunch of whining and complaining to me. helmets are designed for function. they stop your head from getting cracked open. if you would like to take your chances without one, that will solve your problem, and i'll put your name in for a darwin award. if you don't want to die, get a helmet. simple as that.
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dingus
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Thanks, kid.
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curt
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rockclimber919 wrote: it sounds like a bunch of whining and complaining to me. helmets are designed for function. they stop your head from getting cracked open. if you would like to take your chances without one, that will solve your problem, and i'll put your name in for a darwin award. if you don't want to die, get a helmet. simple as that.
Actually, in climbing a brain is even more useful than a helmet. Why don't you run out and see if you can find one.
Curt
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chopperjohn
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I wear a half shell motorcycle helmet on occasion when I climb with this fuckface of a dude named Dennis.
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dingus wrote: budman wrote: When I wear a helmet I still use the skater's helmet I had when I boarding and inline staking. More like a hockey helmet. Usually don't but certain situations call for it. It also provides better protection at the back of the head if you were to fall. F a lot of new stuff. Sometimes you gotta go with your instincts and improvise. Rock fall and side impact are my biggest concerns when it comes to 'other sport' helmets like this. I still do enough alpine and walls that rock fall is perhaps the most valid concern for wearing one. I certainly want a brain bucket in most alpine and wall zones. FA work too, even for half pitch. Momma says FA work is like a box of chocolates... RUN! DMT
The differences between helmets must be do to the impact parameters required to pass the testing. Climbing helmets are mostly tested from straight above whereas bike helmets are more for side and rear impact. I'm not sure about ski helmets. They must have a high impact top test given the speed and likelihood of going head first into a tree.
The bike helmet market is orders of magnitude bigger than the climbing market so it doesn't surprise me that the options are limited. Even the ski market is huge in comparison. It must not be worth the cost of engineering a bike helmet to pass the climbing helmet tests. IMO those general purpose Protec helmets look like they offer only minimal protection especially from above. They'll certainly keep you from cutting your head but I doubt they'll do much for concussive blows.
Personally I'd like to get a foam helmet for general lead climbing where side impact is an issue and keep the old shell helmet for alpine where there is a possibility of multiple impacts from above. In steep climbing my shell helmet falls off of my head. 
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Sep 4, 2009, 7:55 PM
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dingus wrote: Black Diamond = SUCK. Petzl = SUCK Camp = SUCK. SUCK SUCK SUCK. I tried to buy a helmet yesterday. I tried on 5 different models priced from the mid-40.00 to high 90s. SUCK SUCK SUCK. All of them. The hard shells have a variety of problems - chiefly that they are cheap pieces of shit. The chin straps alone... someone needs to introduce these climbing gear companies to a chin strap pad... what a fucking CONCEPT! At the end of the day I walked out in disgust. These helmets are horrible - poorly fitting, cheaply built pieces of CRAP. Are there any good climbing helmets out there or are they all like these pieces of shit??? DMT
Sounds like your fat, mis-shaped head is the problem.
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curt wrote: rockclimber919 wrote: it sounds like a bunch of whining and complaining to me. helmets are designed for function. they stop your head from getting cracked open. if you would like to take your chances without one, that will solve your problem, and i'll put your name in for a darwin award. if you don't want to die, get a helmet. simple as that. Actually, in climbing a brain is even more useful than a helmet. Why don't you run out and see if you can find one. Curt
I was going to have a similar reply, but without Curt's signature zing.
There are climbers who get themselves in avoidable trouble, then thank their lucky stars that their trusty helmet saved them. Wearing a helmet is the very last thing that might save your ass (okay - head), but in most cases there is a whole chain of circumstances that lead to an accident. I'd rather have a heads-up partner that goes lidless than a jackass with his helmet tightly strapped.
Besides, suggesting that an item with a serious function can't have a pleasing form and a comfortable fit is absurd. You're devaluing the entire field of industrial design, which has shaped virtually every object you come into contact with. You're incredibly short-sighted if you don't see how better design and comfort in climbing helmets will increase their use. How many times do people need to refer to other types of helmets before it sinks in?
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mheyman
Sep 7, 2009, 12:03 AM
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I own three climbing helmets that fit me, and I am quite happy with a Petzt Ecrin Rock and a Meteor 2, each for their specific advantages. I don't see where adding cost would help make a better helmet.
I can say that I couldn't find an early foam helmet that fit me - so I didn't purcahse one until I did find one that fit.
What is surprising about having to try them on too see if they fit?
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dingus
Sep 7, 2009, 2:57 PM
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Where did you get 'surprised?'
What I am surprised by is the crappy nature of climbing helmets these days.
A bunch of crrrrrap.
DMT
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mheyman
Sep 7, 2009, 3:23 PM
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dingus wrote: Where did you get 'surprised?'...A bunch of crrrrrap. DMT
Quite a disappointing reply.
Where adding cost would help make a better helmet?
What is surprising about having to try them on too see if they fit?
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CrazyPetie
Sep 8, 2009, 1:34 AM
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You could try one of those new hats with 3DO inside, i would think its enough to stop small rocks and dropped gear. Way more stylish then a typical helmet. But then you look like a boulderer of course, as long as youre ok with that. I have one but i rarely use it.
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Stylish for sure!!! Dingus would be styling in those Allen.
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I had the same issue a couple years ago. Went in and tried on every helmet in the shop.
What I found was that they all suck. But, I was trying to get out of a red hard hat piece of crap I got for $5 at a gear swap, so I went with the one that sucked the least. For me, with a fat head, it was the BD Half Dome. Nothing else even fit!!
Chin strap is nylon though. I do keep it on the loose side and haven't had chafing, but I have a lighter neck beard than mouthbreathers like dingus so who knows. Easy size expansion so I can wear a beanie under it on cold days.
Still, it sucks.
Haven't tried any of the new foamies though. I picked one up and was amazed by how light it was. As someone who drops a lot of stuff on the ground and packs by stuffing everything in, I'd be worried about durability.
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dingus
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mheyman wrote: dingus wrote: Where did you get 'surprised?'...A bunch of crrrrrap. DMT Quite a disappointing reply.
Pity.
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I'm not reading all of the fluff.
Dingus, I was at the same point with hating more or less all the offereings on the market for helmets. I could find nothing comfortable enough, durable enough, and worth buying...
I ended up trying on a Trango CPU, and bought it on the spot. Fairly light, full hard shell, good venting, really comfortable susspension, and a padded chin strap.
Good styling too.
Give it a shot if you haven't taken a look at it yet.
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