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agentmm
Sep 23, 2009, 4:37 AM
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I was just wondering if anyone knows the title of this movie I watched a while ago at a film festival where these guys were exploring the minimalist path of climbing. They knotted their ropes and used the knots like wedges for protection (as not to complicate the route with unnecessary draws and other trad gear.) It was sick, they climbed some stuff bare foot, but the "knots like nuts" was what stood out.
Thanks in advance.
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lucasdunn
Sep 23, 2009, 4:50 AM
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in "The Sharp end" by sender films they where climbing in the Czech Republic with knot stoppers
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milesenoell
Sep 23, 2009, 5:36 AM
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Dingus would love this after his comments about risking your life for other peoples rules. They are definitely adding risk to comply with their own rules, but somehow it just seems to highlight the craziness of how we do risk our lives for the most ridiculous reasons. I broke my arm playing "hot lava" on the playground as a kid because I thought I could jump the 15 feet between structures, but knew that if I was going to make it I had to jump from the top of the monkey bars and try to catch the bars of the next structure over. I learned that day that some contrived rules just aren't worth the costs.
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sbaclimber
Sep 23, 2009, 7:25 AM
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milesenoell wrote: Dingus would love this after his comments about risking your life for other peoples rules. They are definitely adding risk to comply with their own rules, but somehow it just seems to highlight the craziness of how we do risk our lives for the most ridiculous reasons. I broke my arm playing "hot lava" on the playground as a kid because I thought I could jump the 15 feet between structures, but knew that if I was going to make it I had to jump from the top of the monkey bars and try to catch the bars of the next structure over. I learned that day that some contrived rules just aren't worth the costs. 
Just wanted to say that, before someone were to actually take your post seriously.
@lucasdunn: they weren't just in the Czech Repuplic, at least 50% of the footage (the barefoot climbing, everything with Bernd Arnold, the arete on the DVD cover, etc, etc) was shot in Germany.
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milesenoell
Sep 23, 2009, 8:11 AM
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Care to elaborate and actually say something? Do you feel you have some good way to justify that kind of a risk ethic that doesn't ring hollow in the ears of the majority of population? Hell, all you need to do here is come up with a justification that doesn't ring hollow in the ears of internet climbers. Whatcha got?
Edited to add: You do realize that I'm not even concerned with what the video shows (and I haven't seen it) , I'm just referring to trying to justify the risks of trad climbing in general, with a bent towards trad climbing with strict "ethics". I mean shit, we are all doing it in various forms so we've come up with justifications that satisfy ourselves, but have you got anything that would satisfy others? That would satisfy a family member after a death? "He died doing what he loved" comes up short for a lot of people.
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sbaclimber
Sep 23, 2009, 8:29 AM
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milesenoell wrote: Whatcha got?
a) have fair understanding of the local ethic
b) know how soft the rock actually is!
Regarding a), it's just that, local ethic. It is discussed enough here in Germany and the Czech Republic, by people who actually have some concept of what it is all about. Starting a discussion about it here on RC.com, with people who have no idea, would just be stupid.
(edit: I don't get actively involved in the discussion here either. As I am stilll a complete n00b, and will always remain an "import")
Regarding b), the sandstone in the areas shown on the DVD is anywhere from sort-of-firm to well....just sand. Next to rings (see the bit about local ethics above), knots are actually the safest and most soft-rock-friendly option for protection.
That's why I said you have no idea what you are talking about, I can't give you a proper idea here in the intardweb.
I would happily show you around here though!
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milesenoell
Sep 23, 2009, 8:34 AM
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Shit, we're having two different conversations. I didn't mean that what they were using was inappropriate, though I did make the apparently inaccurate assumption that it was adding risk to otherwise standard trad techniques, but was focused on how trad climbing involves risk chosen in a manor others can only find ridiculous.
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sbaclimber
Sep 23, 2009, 8:37 AM
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milesenoell wrote: Shit, we're having two different conversations. 
milesenoell wrote: I didn't mean that what they were using was inappropriate, though I did make the apparently inaccurate assumption that it was adding risk to otherwise standard trad techniques, but was focused on how trad climbing involves risk chosen in a manor others can only find ridiculous. 
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gmggg
Sep 23, 2009, 12:01 PM
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milesenoell wrote: Shit, we're having two different conversations. I didn't mean that what they were using was inappropriate, though I did make the apparently inaccurate assumption that it was adding risk to otherwise standard trad techniques, but was focused on how trad climbing involves risk chosen in a manor others can only find ridiculous.
I find all manors ridiculous, let alone climbing in one.
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sbaclimber
Sep 23, 2009, 12:07 PM
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gmggg wrote: milesenoell wrote: Shit, we're having two different conversations. I didn't mean that what they were using was inappropriate, though I did make the apparently inaccurate assumption that it was adding risk to otherwise standard trad techniques, but was focused on how trad climbing involves risk chosen in a manor others can only find ridiculous. I find all manors ridiculous, let alone climbing in one. 
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gmggg
Sep 23, 2009, 1:39 PM
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Yep. That one too...
Although I wouldn't turn them down if they let me in for free
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