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zealotnoob
Dec 14, 2009, 10:40 PM
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Here and there I've heard allusions to the fact that Cobras are fragile due to their carbon fiber composition.
Is this a real limitation? Are there former Cobra owners out there who have tapped on a piton only to find their Cobra blow away as a cloud of dust? Did some unlucky bloke pull a mixed move only to have the shaft cave like a dried husk?
Or is this a comfortable way of removing an expensive object of desire from the selection pool?
(This post was edited by zealotnoob on Dec 14, 2009, 11:05 PM)
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nikmit
Dec 15, 2009, 9:35 AM
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Everything can brake- especially if one tries REALLY hard 
Never herd of broken carbon tool. Have herd of broken aluminum dough  . Carbon tools are on the market for a long time so even if there was a problem, it would have been fixed long time ago.
Never used carbon tool, but from what I've head the shaft can be really slippery when is wet, or there's some snow on it.
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angry
Dec 15, 2009, 12:04 PM
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I've heard of broken carbon Black Prophets.
Never the new Cobra's.
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qwert
Dec 15, 2009, 1:08 PM
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So i guess it would boil down to the standart issues:
carbon breaks, whereas alumium bends.
So something that might put a dent in a aluminium tool, puts a hole in a crabon tool. But i dont know, i am just roughly extrapolating from other carbon vs aluminum things (ie bikes).
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angry
Dec 15, 2009, 1:59 PM
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Look how far down the shaft there is metal
I wouldn't worry about bashing them apart unless it's some pretty weird and sharp dry tooling. In which case the only thing that would hold would be a monster anyway.
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nattfodd
Dec 15, 2009, 2:13 PM
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I had a similar concern and when I visited the BD factory in Salt Lake, I asked the QA guys. Their answer was that, while freak accidents can of course happen, the forces you need to break the shaft of a cobra were very unlikely to be encountered in real world uses. And perhaps more convincing, they had a test where they banged the shaft on a concrete step a hundred times (to simulate missing while trying to hammer a piton in) and though it looked bruised, the tool was still intact and fully functional.
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zealotnoob
Dec 15, 2009, 3:07 PM
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That's enough to dispel a lot of misconceptions right there.
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roy_hinkley_jr
Dec 15, 2009, 3:09 PM
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First generation of the first generation heads broke off. But first generation *anything* from BD can be expected to break--consumer product testing at its finest. They fixed the problem and later models of the first generation held up fine. Haven't heard of any issues with the second generation regarding durability. Performance and versatility took a real hit but who cares when they look marvelous--it's all about style and marketing!
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maldaly
Dec 15, 2009, 3:19 PM
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Guys, I've heard of no reports of the original Cobras breaking. The new versions have only been out one season but I've not heard of any problems with those either.
Slipper shafts can be resolved with grip tape or Bulldog tape.
Smashing the shaft against rock or pins can be solved by swing training.
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rockrock513
Dec 15, 2009, 3:19 PM
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qwert wrote: So i guess it would boil down to the standart issues: carbon breaks, whereas alumium bends. So something that might put a dent in a aluminium tool, puts a hole in a crabon tool. But i dont know, i am just roughly extrapolating from other carbon vs aluminum things (ie bikes). qwert
that is awful info!
both materials can crack or break. if you took a carbon tool vs. an aluminium tool with a similar gouge in the material my money would be on the carbon tool any day.
a carbon bike (high end manufacture) is way stronger than aluminum, especially after some damage.
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zealotnoob
Dec 15, 2009, 3:30 PM
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roy_hinkley_jr wrote: First generation of the first generation heads broke off. But first generation *anything* from BD can be expected to break--consumer product testing at its finest. They fixed the problem and later models of the first generation held up fine. Haven't heard of any issues with the second generation regarding durability. Performance and versatility took a real hit but who cares when they look marvelous--it's all about style and marketing!
What changes would you make?
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qwert
Dec 16, 2009, 8:23 PM
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rockrock513 wrote: qwert wrote: So i guess it would boil down to the standart issues: carbon breaks, whereas alumium bends. So something that might put a dent in a aluminium tool, puts a hole in a crabon tool. But i dont know, i am just roughly extrapolating from other carbon vs aluminum things (ie bikes). qwert that is awful info! both materials can crack or break. if you took a carbon tool vs. an aluminium tool with a similar gouge in the material my money would be on the carbon tool any day. a carbon bike (high end manufacture) is way stronger than aluminum, especially after some damage.
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