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Arrogant_Bastard
Jan 6, 2010, 7:13 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: Lazlo wrote: ensonik wrote: You condescendant unpleasant dumbfuck. Ha Ha! That was awesome! Quote of the year! It was rather catchy. Up there with whatever Burnsy exploded with last year.
I'm rather fond of it. A lot of emotion in it, and making fun of my intelligence with a made-up word is just spectacular.
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edge
Jan 6, 2010, 8:17 PM
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the_climber wrote: Hey Edge, that looks like about 1/4 the gear most folks take on that route now. At some point skinner and I will have to make the trip down to Zion for a tour.
I dunno, at the time we brought what we had and made it work. I was under the impression that the majority of modern ascents are all done in a day?
FWIW, we fixed the first three pitches with two ropes. The next morning, we were woken up by the sounds of, well, something happening to our ropes.
Two guys were on our cord, and jumaring the hades out of them. They claimed to be climbing the route in a day, and since it had no effect on us (my British partner at the time needed his morning tea, and I needed my ritual wake & bake), then we just let them proceed.
To this day, however, I wonder if they claimed climbing the whole thing "in a day."
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ensonik
Jan 6, 2010, 8:23 PM
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In reply to: Heh, looks like I struck a nerve. Well thank you for showing us that both you and your partner have a headlamp.
No nerve was struck.
I don't climb high grades and prefer long multi-pitch routes, so we both carry everything needed for self-rescue in our packs.
That includes, the headlamps, cordelettes, tiblocs, and yes, 2 belay devices each. I take self-rescue very seriously and having all that stuff in 2 different packs gives me peace of mind. The extra weight doesn't bother me (or probably anyone) on < 5.7.
The trad draws aren't assembled because I'm in the north east and climbing is off for a couple months so I stored everything nice and clean for the winter.
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Lazlo
Jan 6, 2010, 8:42 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote: Arrogant_Bastard wrote: Lazlo wrote: ensonik wrote: You condescendant unpleasant dumbfuck. Ha Ha! That was awesome! Quote of the year! It was rather catchy. Up there with whatever Burnsy exploded with last year. I'm rather fond of it. A lot of emotion in it, and making fun of my intelligence with a made-up word is just spectacular.
I laffed! 
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cchas
Jan 11, 2010, 7:56 PM
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ok, I'll bite on the rack. This is what I use on a frequenty basis not including the struff I've left for only alpine and ice climbing
as for weight.... its pretty damn heavy. For cost, I should know since I took the picture for insurance purposes, but its basically 3 pieces each from BD (000) C3 to BD (00) C3's, 7-9 pieces from BD (0) C3 to BD 2 C4 and then 3 on up to off width sizes. Keeps me happy in Indian Creek
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johnwesely
Jan 11, 2010, 8:13 PM
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ensonik wrote: That includes, the headlamps, cordelettes, tiblocs, and yes, 2 belay devices each. I take self-rescue very seriously and having all that stuff in 2 different packs gives me peace of mind. The extra weight doesn't bother me (or probably anyone) on < 5.7.
If you learned to improvise a little bit, you would not need all of that stuff and would probably have more fun.
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ensonik
Jan 11, 2010, 9:17 PM
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Yup. I learn all my self rescue with a cordelette only. The rest is a bonus and again, doesn't bother me at the bottom of my pack.
I just prefer to have multiple options out there. I don't think there's anything wrong with that nor does it make my testicules any smaller.
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johnwesely
Jan 11, 2010, 9:22 PM
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ensonik wrote: Yup. I learn all my self rescue with a cordelette only. The rest is a bonus and again, doesn't bother me at the bottom of my pack. I just prefer to have multiple options out there. I don't think there's anything wrong with that nor does it make my testicules any smaller.
I never said it did.
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climbingtrash
Jan 11, 2010, 9:22 PM
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cchas wrote: ok, I'll bite on the rack. This is what I use on a frequenty basis not including the struff I've left for only alpine and ice climbing as for weight.... its pretty damn heavy. For cost, I should know since I took the picture for insurance purposes, but its basically 3 pieces each from BD (000) C3 to BD (00) C3's, 7-9 pieces from BD (0) C3 to BD 2 C4 and then 3 on up to off width sizes. Keeps me happy in Indian Creek
Nice looking Creek rack fer sure. +1
No style points fer presentation...get creative next time.
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ensonik
Jan 11, 2010, 9:41 PM
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In reply to: I never said it did.
I never said you said it did.
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johnwesely
Jan 11, 2010, 9:42 PM
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ensonik wrote: In reply to: I never said it did. I never said you said it did.
I never said you said I said that.
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ensonik
Jan 11, 2010, 9:43 PM
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Ok, I concede. I was overly sensitive. Sorry bout that.
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caughtinside
Jan 19, 2010, 6:18 PM
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ensonik wrote:  15 pounds Missing the obvious: - Truck load of slings - Ropes: 1 10.5 and 1 8.5 - Helmets, shoes, harnesses - First aid, bivy sack, ... Obviously, judging by the high shinny factor of the gear, I'm a gumby. I'm working on a rack for the longer multi-pitch routes in the North East. My first lead was standard at whitehorse ledge. I climb with my son, so I keep the difficulty level pretty low. edit: added weight, changed image host url
Nice to see someone else doubling up on Leathermans and headlamps.
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caughtinside
Jan 19, 2010, 6:22 PM
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ensonik wrote: In reply to: Way to step up the game. Not only did you put your headlamp in, you put two of them. And two multi-tools. ...and two nut tools. ...and two belay devices. ...and a Gri Gri and a Cinch. You condescendant unpleasant dumbfuck. I climb with my son (as previously stated), hence I have gear for 2. In reply to: Yet you have 7 draws. Ever heard of a trad draw ... I have 20 or so biners lying out there. As also stated in the original post, I didn't include the truck load of slings I have. (I'm going to guess you don't actually read anything and work solely on your post count) edit: spelling (at least the ones I know of)
hahahaha!!! THis just made my day.
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caughtinside
Jan 19, 2010, 6:27 PM
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ensonik wrote: Yup. I learn all my self rescue with a cordelette only. The rest is a bonus and again, doesn't bother me at the bottom of my pack. I just prefer to have multiple options out there. I don't think there's anything wrong with that nor does it make my testicules any smaller.
Your testicles might not be smaller, but the rest of us are laughing at you and your re-redundant redundancy. People taking all that crap on a couple pitch route is a sign of fear. Big wall racks and climbers with packs on easy stuff is the Mark of the Gumb.
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ensonik
Jan 19, 2010, 8:28 PM
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In reply to: Your testicles might not be smaller, but the rest of us are laughing at you and your re-redundant redundancy. People taking all that crap on a couple pitch route is a sign of fear. Big wall racks and climbers with packs on easy stuff is the Mark of the Gumb.
:) I won't even try to deny my gumbyness and the fear I have when I'm up there. I'm confident in my abilities and what I've taught myself, but I also very well know that shit happens; I also know that gear won't replace knowledge and experience.
You should have seen my first 20 top rope anchors! They were the talk (read 'laugh') of the crag. I didn't really care cause that's what I needed for my own piece of mind. I've grown out of that, as I'll obviously grow out of other types of fear I drag with me.
For now, that shit load makes me feel a tad safer, and either way, I fuggin love spending my money on this shit!
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Rudmin
Jan 20, 2010, 2:52 PM
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cush wrote: currupt4130 wrote: sethg wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but why all the tape on the tricams? Ever try having sex and not being able to keep it up? That's what placing a tri cam is like one handed half the time. that's freaking brilliant! i like that idea a lot. i'm going to tape one of my tricams to try that out when i get home today
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currupt4130
Jan 20, 2010, 3:50 PM
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Rudmin wrote: cush wrote: currupt4130 wrote: sethg wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but why all the tape on the tricams? Ever try having sex and not being able to keep it up? That's what placing a tri cam is like one handed half the time. that's freaking brilliant! i like that idea a lot. i'm going to tape one of my tricams to try that out when i get home today I'm going to go tape up my penis and keep it up all night.
Let me know how that works out for you. I don't think it's a viable alternative to Viagra.
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billcoe_
Jan 20, 2010, 5:55 PM
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We should try and keep this thread on task with rack pics and if anyone is feeling the need to chest thump, flame or chit chat, take it to Community. I posted a bunch of pics earlier and the iron alone must have weighted over 200 lbs. Just cause you post it doesn't mean you are actually carrying it all. Crap, I have 2 pairs of Leatherman gardening fold up shears I often take climbing, especially when I'm in thorny blackberry bushes. I haven't even started to post up my gardening rack of shovels, trowels, clippers and modified ice axes. I'll add some more later. I have new gear since I posted earlier. Here, make fun of me cause I was drinkin' and painting my gear. Dohhh!
Notice Therons new Tomahawk there, it got used!
BTW, all those beaks are currently out of production except for the Tomahawk which just came out a few months ago, and the Black Diamond Pecker. There are a few Seam Weasels still available at the Yosemite Mountain Shop which you can mail order via the internet if you want them. For myself, the Tomahawk is a much better designed product.
BTW, added a few hammers too. I have 2 A5 hammers there which are impossible to find these days. Theron and a Healy J are working on doing a new limited single run of them as D5 hammers with the extra proceeds going to the Alex Lowe foundation if any one is interested, check it out on Supertopo to get on the waiting list.
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currupt4130
Jan 20, 2010, 6:01 PM
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I'm curious, do you actually need that many hammers or have you just collected them over the years? I could see having one or two extra that you may have bought after forgetting to bring one on a trip, but how do you wind up with that many?
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cracklover
Jan 20, 2010, 6:13 PM
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Holy crap, that's a lot of hammers!
BTW, the tomahawk looks really sweet. Is it as good as it looks? For example, can you really clean it just from a whack on the tail?
I should post up my Creek rack. It's not huge, but it is getting... non-trivial.
GO
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the_climber
Jan 20, 2010, 6:21 PM
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cracklover wrote: Holy crap, that's a lot of hammers! BTW, the tomahawk looks really sweet. Is it as good as it looks? For example, can you really clean it just from a whack on the tail? I should post up my Creek rack. It's not huge, but it is getting... non-trivial. GO
the tomahawks are as sweet as they look. my partner picked up a couple for our aid/new-routing rack, probably one of the best beaks i've ever used
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ryanb
Jan 20, 2010, 7:07 PM
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Bill,
You need a website for your collection.
Seriously, go set up a blogspot blog or something, you would have one of the best collections of wierd stuff on the net.
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billcoe_
Jan 21, 2010, 5:41 AM
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the_climber wrote: the tomahawks are as sweet as they look. my partner picked up a couple for our aid/new-routing rack, probably one of the best beaks i've ever used
Yup, they're great. I like the size and the cant on the old Pika Toucan more however, and relayed that info to Theron. I think if there was a tad more cant (bend) in them, they could be utilized as a hand placed/clean piece better. If I was to buy the Tomahawks again, I'd just get the left hand and right hand version that are canted, and ignore the straight one. In a straight up crack you could use either of the canted ones fine, while the reverse is not quite so true.
On the hammer thing, it's probably just mental sickness. For instance, my son took up playing the Saxophone in 5th grade and asked me to pick him up a 2nd one so he didn't have to lug his around.....9 or 10 saxes later, some real sweet pro models like the Yanagasawa with a solid sterling silver bell- these damn things are still here now, long after the kid quit playing and has moved off to college. I know I should sell them but haven't brought myself to it just yet, seeing them as a possible hedge against poverty if the SHTF for me.
This isn't all of the hammers either, I have another Forrest wall hammer on permanent loan to a poorer buddy and a few others as well. I did 21 new routes last year and used them on well over half I suppose for bolting or an odd fixed pin. One route took the beaks.
As far as collections go, thanks RyanB, but Stephan of the Nut Museum and Marty Karbin both make me look normal in comparison by they frenetic and relentless pro-quality collections and collecting efforts! Check this! http://www.needlesports.com/...useum/nutsmuseum.htm
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Lazlo
Jan 21, 2010, 4:01 PM
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billcoe_ wrote: We should try and keep this thread on task with rack pics and if anyone is feeling the need to chest thump, flame or chit chat, take it to Community. I posted a bunch of pics earlier and the iron alone must have weighted over 200 lbs. Just cause you post it doesn't mean you are actually carrying it all. Crap, I have 2 pairs of Leatherman gardening fold up shears I often take climbing, especially when I'm in thorny blackberry bushes. I haven't even started to post up my gardening rack of shovels, trowels, clippers and modified ice axes. I'll add some more later. I have new gear since I posted earlier. Here, make fun of me cause I was drinkin' and painting my gear. Dohhh! Notice Therons new Tomahawk there, it got used! BTW, all those beaks are currently out of production except for the Tomahawk which just came out a few months ago, and the Black Diamond Pecker. There are a few Seam Weasels still available at the Yosemite Mountain Shop which you can mail order via the internet if you want them. For myself, the Tomahawk is a much better designed product. BTW, added a few hammers too. I have 2 A5 hammers there which are impossible to find these days. Theron and a Healy J are working on doing a new limited single run of them as D5 hammers with the extra proceeds going to the Alex Lowe foundation if any one is interested, check it out on Supertopo to get on the waiting list.
Billcoe, What are the chances that you could repost all your pictures at once? That would be pretty sweet.
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