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majid_sabet
Mar 3, 2010, 5:15 PM
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This an old caving report with a lot ropes, bolts, drilling and rope eating devices attached here and there so take your time while reading this. http://www.caves.org/...nh/45/ivyaccrpt.html
(This post was edited by majid_sabet on May 3, 2010, 9:15 PM)
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jakedatc
Mar 10, 2010, 8:35 PM
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This is CLIMBING not Caving you fucking ambulance chasing douchebag
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boymeetsrock
Mar 10, 2010, 9:45 PM
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Ease up Jake. Did you read the report? It happened in a cave but the people were using climbing techniques. Also, there is a pretty good incident analysis included. No need to go off the deep end here...
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Adk
Mar 10, 2010, 10:19 PM
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Interesting read. Thanks.
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ClimbClimb
Mar 14, 2010, 1:14 AM
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Sad story, interesting information, highly relevant to climbing, bolting and self-belaying. jakedatc, if you'd read the report, and took a step back, you'd probably agree. As for majid being an "ambulance chaser", that's clearly not true -- he's posting relevant information in a relevant forum, without any effort to profit from others' misery.
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timstich
Mar 14, 2010, 4:17 PM
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It doesn't offend me that this report gets bumped from time to time. Pete Zabrok usually does it since he first posted the link back when it happened in 2000.
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dagibbs
Mar 15, 2010, 5:06 PM
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jakedatc wrote: This is CLIMBING not Caving They were climbing. Happens the cliff they were working on was underground -- but doesn't make it any less climbing.
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JAB
Mar 15, 2010, 5:15 PM
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Good analysis of the accident. I'm a bit surprised that there isn't more on the cause of death. Since he was alive after the fall, it would be interesting to know if he eventually died because of trauma caused by the fall, or if he was suffocated by his harness. In that case, it would be worth mentioning in the conclusions the need of a knife and of course that you shouldn't use improvised harnesses. In fact, I think that should have been mentioned in any case.
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USnavy
Mar 21, 2010, 11:52 PM
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ClimbClimb wrote: As for majid being an "ambulance chaser", that's clearly not true -- he's posting relevant information in a relevant forum, without any effort to profit from others' misery. Yes, it’s normal for someone to spend the better part of every day looking up climbing accidents on the Internet. The interesting part is that Majid thinks if he analyses climbing accidents and understands them, that makes him immune to becoming a statistic himself. Well bad news Majid, you can memorize Accidents in North American Mountaineering to the point that you speak it aloud well sleeping but that won’t keep you safe. Safety in this sport derives from more then reading books.
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davidnn5
Mar 22, 2010, 12:01 AM
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USnavy wrote: ClimbClimb wrote: As for majid being an "ambulance chaser", that's clearly not true -- he's posting relevant information in a relevant forum, without any effort to profit from others' misery. Yes, it’s normal for someone to spend the better part of every day looking up climbing accidents on the Internet. You climb, and you spend whatever time you spend on a climbing site. Majid works in rescue. The smart people are the silent ones. Those who don't like whatever X person posts (for whatever reason), so they don't read it, and don't comment. Personally, I want to read about things that can go wrong. I might not read every one, but I don't begrudge any being posted.
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