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JLSmith526
May 3, 2010, 7:54 PM
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Recently this last weekend on a trip, I found metelious's new mini quick draws. They only had packages of 5, so I couldn't pick them up individually, but the entire package felt much lighter than other brands' packs of 4.
Has anyone used bought and used them? Is the decreased weight and size worth the cost? How do they compare in clipping to a Petzl spirit?
Just wanted to see what people though before I decided whether or not I should order one to try it.
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Rudmin
May 3, 2010, 7:55 PM
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they're small
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shoo
May 3, 2010, 7:58 PM
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Rudmin wrote: they're small
End thread.
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sp00ki
May 3, 2010, 8:59 PM
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Rudmin wrote: they're small
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I'm still pretty new to sport climbing, but i have to say that i'd much rather carry an extra ten or so grams on my gear loop than run the risk of finishing a pumpy crux only to deal with a desperate clip on something the size of an onion ring.
ED: that said, i have a full rack of BD Livewires, so i'm talking from waaaay on the other side of the room.
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gmggg
May 3, 2010, 9:02 PM
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You should get better onion rings. I would be pissed if someone served me an onion ring smaller than a petzl attache.
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jakedatc
May 3, 2010, 9:13 PM
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i found a metolius mini as a bail biner and i would not want to clip that little thing on lead.. it's so small.. and i use Omega JC's which are about as small as i'll go. neutrinos, nanos, mini's really small to be clipping a rope to. hotwires, live wires, dash, that size is nice
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sp00ki
May 3, 2010, 9:23 PM
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gmggg wrote: You should get better onion rings. I would be pissed if someone served me an onion ring smaller than a petzl attache.
I know... as i was typing it, i realized i don't eat enough fast food to make that sort of comparison.
So maybe... idunno, a cock ring?
Point is, it's an effing small biner.
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johnwesely
May 3, 2010, 9:39 PM
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I know a lot of people have trouble clipping them, but for me, they are super easy to clip. That being said, I am not that I would ever recommend them for sport climbing. If I were you, I would go with the spirits or full sized wiregates.
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j_ung
May 3, 2010, 11:36 PM
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 (just in case)
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Storjon
May 4, 2010, 6:41 AM
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They are really small but no lighter than camp nano 23 and only 3 grams lighter than a DMM Phantom.
The only way of clipping them properly is thumb clipping and they feel kind of clunky, not super smooth.
No way i would use them for sport climbing and would choose a Nano 23 or Phantom over them anytime, any day.
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meahtots
May 4, 2010, 6:44 AM
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Buying FS minis just for sport climbing is pretty ridiculous, which is what you sound like you buy them for.
It seems to me that where the biners and the draws would be useful is alpine, where you aren't worried so much about the clip-ability.
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sp00ki
May 4, 2010, 2:53 PM
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but at that point, are you even worried about the weight? i mean what's ten grams when you're wearing crampons, goggles, and full winter gear?
If you really want to drop that sort of weight, do a sit-up.
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lewismonkey
May 5, 2010, 9:09 AM
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Obviously you have not yet cut the handle off your toothbrush...
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sungam
May 5, 2010, 10:29 AM
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lewismonkey wrote: Obviously you have not yet cut the handle off your toothbrush...
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Storjon
May 5, 2010, 10:31 AM
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lewismonkey wrote: Obviously you have not yet cut the handle off your toothbrush...
...or calculated material weight/heat transfer/ fuel consumption ratios and when cooking in an aluminum pot is better than a titanium one for overall best weight optimization.
Alpinists do that for real. How do you think they choose their biners?
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