So I've got a bit of an issue. I currently can't find any commercially available, stainless steel, wiregate carabiner with a field-installable bar/roll-pin to make it captive.

Faders used to make one, but since they were bought by fixe, its been dropped from their line.

Raumer make a stainless wiregate with a bar to make it captive, but they weld the bar in place.

Fixe only offer their draco

Because most of the demand for captive bar carabiners is from industry, they tend to be screwgate carabiners (and more often that not, mild steel only).

The issue arises where we've got lots of existing anchor stations (glued-in) and the original - manufactured in-situ - carabiners are approaching the point where they need to be removed due to wear.

I'd rather not pull/chop the bolts, nor do I want to added a mallion(s) to the anchors to facilitate fitting of captive eye carabiners, nor do I particularly want to see the 'clip and lower' functionality lost.

Now I'm pretty up to speed on whats out there gear wise, but I'm still hoping someone will now point out "surely you've overlooked the abcdefg-brand rstuv-carabiner?"

Anyone got any leads?

Don't want to add the length and extra components and additional visible impact if it can be avoided. And whilst the faders pin-captive stainless steel wiregate was on the market, it easily could be.

In lots of cases adding a mallion will then put the carabiner at 90 degrees to where it needs to be to work well on the anchor (eg. Fixe #044).

It's got me a bit stumped that there isn't a single carabiner of this type on the market. I regularly assess the sustainability of any actions in take, I like to ensure that it is possible to maintain the hardware we install to the same level as it was originally installed. But with faders dropping that product, anyone who has ever installed a 'clip and lower' anchor station with glue-in hardware is now unable to retain the clip and lower functionality when the original carabiners wear out.

If there's nothing on the market, I see three probably ways forward;
1) Try to encourage a manufacturer to add such a product to their line.
2) Modify an existing product (such as the aforementioned wichard carbine hook) to include a captive eye, but to do this in good faith would oblige several destructive tests, careful quality control and would attract liability that I really don't want.
3) Have the carabiner manufactured, which just builds on the issues touched on above.

at 20 bucks a pop you want to squish 'em in a vice?

Just bend the eye closed enough for them to be theft proof/resistant.

won't that alter the action on the gate or reduce the structural integrity? also won't dragging a vice 30m up a wall be a huge pain?

also won't dragging a vice 30m up a wall be a huge pain?

Hey if this guy can do it...

is this a preview from Vertical Limit 2? and is this you?

What, you mean like this little buddy we developed? You clip ther rope in twice so even if you climb above and fall with the rope across the gate it doesn´t unclip completely.
Hard to make and hopelessly uneconomic but it was fun trying to make it work!
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I´d do what others do with pigtails and the like;- fit a stainless U cable clamp and give the threads a whack with a hammer.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but that thing looks like it'd cause monster rope drag.