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slartibartfast


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Pronounciation question.
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This one's always bugged me.

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Either is correct.


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marc801 wrote:
Either is correct.

That being said, pancakes is definitely fucking wrong. Goddammit quit it with that dumb shit. Ban this fuck for having more than one account (since you can't ban him for offering "pancakes" as a choice).


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did you used to post to cyclocross forums in the bay area in the late 90's?

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marc801 wrote:
Either is correct.

Which brings us to the question of how to pronounce "either."

Jay


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jt512 wrote:
marc801 wrote:
Either is correct.

Which brings us to the question of how to pronounce "either."

Jay

Pretty sure its e-ther, not eye-ther. MadMadMadMadMadMadMadMadMadMadMadMad

edit: lol


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I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words


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clc wrote:
I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words

Well, Canadians think "out" is pronounced "oot." This completely disqualifies them having any authority on the pronunciation of "route."

Jay


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I, oddly enough, say it both ways. It depends on how I'm using it. I work as a route (rOOt) setter, but on the weekends I like to head outside to climb some routes (rOWts). When talking about roads, the correct pronunciation is rOOt, and only rOOt. Rock climbs get more options because they are obviously superior to that chipped and glued s*** we drive on.


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jh_angel wrote:
I, oddly enough, say it both ways. It depends on how I'm using it. I work as a route (rOOt) setter, but on the weekends I like to head outside to climb some routes (rOWts). When talking about roads, the correct pronunciation is rOOt, and only rOOt. Rock climbs get more options because they are obviously superior to that chipped and glued s*** we drive on.

Yeah, I agree, I use both when talking about climbing.


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Route is pronounced as root as it originates from the Anglo-French word 'rute'.


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Route is pronounced as root as it originates from the Anglo-French word 'rute'.

+1

Also, the "e" is added to distinguish between route and rout because both words originate from the Latin "rupta," which is both a pathway and a break (rupture).

Oddly, in the real world, the word "route" is also a synonym of "send." Laugh


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jt512 wrote:
clc wrote:
I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words

Well, Canadians think "out" is pronounced "oot." This completely disqualifies them having any authority on the pronunciation of "route."

Jay

I'm not an authority on the subject. I think the "out" your talking about is from eastern Canada. The only place I hear people say Rowt is in the states.
Also some americans pronounce roof oddly, more like rough.


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pronunciation


just saying


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clc wrote:
jt512 wrote:
clc wrote:
I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words

Well, Canadians think "out" is pronounced "oot." This completely disqualifies them having any authority on the pronunciation of "route."

Jay

I'm not an authority on the subject. I think the "out" your talking about is from eastern Canada. The only place I hear people say Rowt is in the states.
Also some americans pronounce roof oddly, more like rough.
For the most part it's only Americans making fun of Canadians on TV that say 'oot' or 'aboot'. IME it sounds more like oat or a-boat.

Cue 'eh' joke.


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hafilax wrote:
clc wrote:
jt512 wrote:
clc wrote:
I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words

Well, Canadians think "out" is pronounced "oot." This completely disqualifies them having any authority on the pronunciation of "route."

Jay

I'm not an authority on the subject. I think the "out" your talking about is from eastern Canada. The only place I hear people say Rowt is in the states.
Also some americans pronounce roof oddly, more like rough.
For the most part it's only Americans making fun of Canadians on TV that say 'oot' or 'aboot'. IME it sounds more like oat or a-boat.

Cue 'eh' joke.


only people from ontario say aboot, it's weird


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In Scotland any words with an "ou" in the spelling tend to be pronounced with an "oo" sound when spoken.


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since we're on the subject...topo: taw-poh or toh-poh?


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SofCookay wrote:
since we're on the subject...topo: taw-poh or toh-poh?

tah-po


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SofCookay wrote:
since we're on the subject...topo: taw-poh or toh-poh?

Recognizing Jay's contribution:

Eye-ther is correct.
Eee-ther is correct.

I prefer toh-poh.


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I think "root" tends to be a northeastern pronunciation..."rowt" tends to be southern.

I think I hear "new root" more often...Established lines maybe get called "rowts" more, maybe a little?

Regarding Canadian vs USA...I'm in Canada a lot, I think Canadian is a tiny bit more like British English than American English...but not as much as Aussie or South African English.


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oldsalt wrote:
SofCookay wrote:
since we're on the subject...topo: taw-poh or toh-poh?

Recognizing Jay's contribution:

Eye-ther is correct.
Eee-ther is correct.

I prefer toh-poh.

tomato, tomato
potato, potato
Reagan, Raygun

Okey, the Reagan thing was probably funnier when he was President.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
livinonasandbar wrote:
Route is pronounced as root as it originates from the Anglo-French word 'rute'.

+1

Also, the "e" is added to distinguish between route and rout because both words originate from the Latin "rupta," which is both a pathway and a break (rupture).

Oddly, in the real world, the word "route" is also a synonym of "send." Laugh

Depending on the date when English got hold of the word (and given its Latin via French origin, I'm figuring it's present in English before about 1400), the pronunciation identical to the word 'root' would be off. The long u in the source word would have undergone the Great Vowel Shift (read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_vowel_shift), leaving a diphthong ow.

Etymology, however, doesn't control speakers, so both work fine.


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jt512 wrote:
clc wrote:
I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words

Well, Canadians think "out" is pronounced "oot." This completely disqualifies them having any authority on the pronunciation of "route."

Jay

I am a Canadian, and I have never heard another Canadian pronounce it oot unless we are mocking the fact that you Americans think we say it that way.
Speaking of which, I think you guys are the ones with pronunciation problems.

Geet that thar thunder stick ma'

Ya'all coum down and get some o'l fer your truck

What colo(u)r is your ruff?

Hide yo wife hide yo kids, hide yo husbund cus they rapping everyone ova here.

Worst of which is when your damn North Easterners call me Callen! Co-lin get it right! There is no damn A in my name!!!


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Colinhoglund wrote:
jt512 wrote:
clc wrote:
I find americans say Rowt.
canadians pronounce and spell a few different words

Well, Canadians think "out" is pronounced "oot." This completely disqualifies them having any authority on the pronunciation of "route."

Jay

I am a Canadian, and I have never heard another Canadian pronounce it oot unless we are mocking the fact that you Americans think we say it that way.

I'll leave it to a real linguist like styndall to attempt to explain to you why Americans and Canadians might perceive the word to be pronounced differently when a Canadian says it.

Jay

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