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thrower
Jan 30, 2011, 12:24 AM
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Hallo to everyone in this forum.
I'm not a climber,far from it actually-i'm a shotputter.I have a huge problem with shoe selection though and i think this is the best possible place for expert advice.
I train for the shotput (glide) which is this movement excactly :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ8O9JUSZgc
The problem is i train on a surface that's very slippery cement,most of the times wet and quite uneven because of long-term wear and tear.I slip a lot and this has led to a couple of injuries.I cannot afford any more injuries,so i need your help.
I need to find a shoe that:
-provides great traction on slick and wet cement
-has good feel for the ground (no thick sole)
-i will be able to pivot and jump with
-lasts a reasonable amount of time worn by a 280 pound athlete,3-4 times a week for an hour each session.
Which type generally or model specifically would you recommend for me ?
Thanks in advance for your help
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ryanb
Jan 30, 2011, 1:34 AM
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Stealth rubber made by 5.10 (http://fiveten.com/) is the stickiest thing you can find. You don't want regular climbing shoes but you could try one of the five ten free running or approach shoes (guide tennie is the classic but they have lots of thin soled models).
Not sure what you mean by pivot, you might find that stealth is too sticky for that...it is not ment to slide. Not sure about wear either, the uppers will last but if you try to slide on the rubber it can wear quickly. I think you can get guide tennies resoled at some climbing shoe resolers.
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thrower
Jan 30, 2011, 1:43 AM
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Thank you for your replies !
I'd like to add that i'm a quite experienced athlete in the shot and i do have shotput shoes of all kinds ,but right now i have to train in a very slippery and wet ring,giving me conditions i shouldn't normally have to deal with.
By pivoting i mean i need to turn on my toes,changing the direction of the foot while my weight is still on it.
Jumping is indeed very taxing on the ankles/knees in the shotput shoes too-they have no padding whatsoever,they're just made for wooden surfaces or grippy cement (as a good shotput ring should be made),so i'm used to no cushioning.
Do you think parkour/freerunning shoes are my best option like these ?
http://www.cragxclimbing.com/shoesfootwear/approach-shoes/fiveten-chase-approach-shoe-p-4636.html
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skiclimb
Jan 30, 2011, 2:05 AM
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Something like that might work well for you. Several other companies make approach/runner shoes with sticky climbing rubber.
LaSportiva
Asolo
probably others too.
Try em out at your local climbing shop.
see what you think.
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el_layclimber
Jan 30, 2011, 4:35 AM
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thrower wrote: Hallo to everyone in this forum. I'm not a climber,far from it actually-i'm a shotputter.I have a huge problem with shoe selection though and i think this is the best possible place for expert advice. I train for the shotput (glide) which is this movement excactly : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ8O9JUSZgc The problem is i train on a surface that's very slippery cement,most of the times wet and quite uneven because of long-term wear and tear.I slip a lot and this has led to a couple of injuries.I cannot afford any more injuries,so i need your help. I need to find a shoe that: -provides great traction on slick and wet cement -has good feel for the ground (no thick sole) -i will be able to pivot and jump with -lasts a reasonable amount of time worn by a 280 pound athlete,3-4 times a week for an hour each session. Which type generally or model specifically would you recommend for me ? Thanks in advance for your help
Climbing shoe rubber is great when dry, but close to useless when wet. I'd try a freerunning shoe, maybe something from inov8, but it seems to be that whether a shoe will stick on a wet surface can be very hard to predict until you've tried it.
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abe_ascends
Jan 30, 2011, 5:08 AM
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Vibram Five Fingers?
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rhythm164
Jan 30, 2011, 3:53 PM
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ryanb wrote: you could try one of the five ten free running or approach shoes
FYI, as far as their freerunning shoes go, avoid the model called the Freerunner, the soles wear quickly and become extremely slippery in the rain even when new. THe Guide Tennies mentioned are great and may be a good option.
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rgold
Jan 30, 2011, 8:26 PM
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Pivoting and non-slip are, to some extent, contradictory requirements. You'll have to give something in one category to increase performance in the other.
I don't think many of us have much experience with sticky rubber on concrete. Some sticky rubbers perform quite well, in my opinion, on wet rock that doesn't have dirt or lichen or other lubricants. But resisting the kind of push-off forces involved in shot-putting is not something climbing shoes have to do. In principle, parcours shoes should be better at this, but I'm not sure whether that's true in practice.
Climbing shoes are shaped and lasted for the demands of climbing and just aren't going to be good for sport. You would want shoes with sticky rubber characterized as approach shoes. The La Sportiva Exum Pro is a good example, made like a minimally cushioned running shoe.
If slippery wet conditions are the primary problem, it might make sense to try shoes made for slippery wet conditions, namely boating shoes. Most of these are in a moccasin style that would be inappropriate for shotputting, but there are some made in athletic shoe styles too. A good place to look at a comprehensive selection is http://www.deckshoes.com/
Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any way to decide for sure other than buying and trying out different possibilities.
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iknowfear
Jan 30, 2011, 9:58 PM
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Try dunlop volleys, they are the canyoneers cheap shoe of choice.
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dancottle
Jan 30, 2011, 10:39 PM
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Use a towel to dry off the cement?
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shockabuku
Jan 31, 2011, 2:05 AM
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el_layclimber wrote: Climbing shoe rubber is great when dry, but close to useless when wet. I'd try a freerunning shoe, maybe something from inov8, but it seems to be that whether a shoe will stick on a wet surface can be very hard to predict until you've tried it.
Depends what you're standing on. With somewhat porous, unpolished rock, climbing rubber works fine even when wet. I suspect it would probably work on wet cement, that isn't too polished, reasonably well also.
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ryanb
Jan 31, 2011, 3:36 AM
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shockabuku wrote: el_layclimber wrote: Climbing shoe rubber is great when dry, but close to useless when wet. I'd try a freerunning shoe, maybe something from inov8, but it seems to be that whether a shoe will stick on a wet surface can be very hard to predict until you've tried it. Depends what you're standing on. With somewhat porous, unpolished rock, climbing rubber works fine even when wet. I suspect it would probably work on wet cement, that isn't too polished, reasonably well also.
Also depends on the type of rubber. Five ten stuff gets used in water shoes and vibram is usually okay but some of the compounds from other companies can be really bad (sportiva's non vibram rubber on the cirque pros is awful).
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jakedatc
Jan 31, 2011, 4:36 AM
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thrower wrote: Hallo to everyone in this forum. I'm not a climber,far from it actually-i'm a shotputter.I have a huge problem with shoe selection though and i think this is the best possible place for expert advice. I train for the shotput (glide) which is this movement excactly : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ8O9JUSZgc The problem is i train on a surface that's very slippery cement,most of the times wet and quite uneven because of long-term wear and tear.I slip a lot and this has led to a couple of injuries.I cannot afford any more injuries,so i need your help. I need to find a shoe that: -provides great traction on slick and wet cement -has good feel for the ground (no thick sole) -i will be able to pivot and jump with -lasts a reasonable amount of time worn by a 280 pound athlete,3-4 times a week for an hour each session. Which type generally or model specifically would you recommend for me ? Thanks in advance for your help
you know they make shot put shoes right? They will be a lot more comfortable than rock climbing shoes. plus a lot cheaper.
http://www.google.com/...;fp=7e0dd654987feb9a
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rmsusa
Jan 31, 2011, 2:40 PM
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In reply to: Climbing shoe rubber is great when dry, but close to useless when wet.
Stealth is different. It's specifically designed to be good on wet surfaces.
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thrower
Feb 2, 2011, 6:26 AM
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Thank you all for your great help !
I finally bought these
http://fiveten.com/products/footwear-detail/33-chase-phantom
and will test them in training today !
Thanks again !
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