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l3uddy789
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At the begining of the academic year I moved up to Flagstaff, AZ from Austin Texas. Now that it is getting pretty cold I need to get some warmer clothes to climb in. Does anyone have recommendations of warm climbing shirts that arn't over $100. Everything I've looked at either looks like I wouldn't be able to move around in or is around $200. I know that there are alot of posts about this kind of stuff, but none of them helped me out. Thanks in advance Ian
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kachoong
Feb 10, 2011, 8:51 PM
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Assuming you mean rock and not ice? If it's cold and dry I'll usually layer with a long sleeve base layer (eg. EMS techwick) with a short or long sleeve heavier layer, with a fleece for belays and something like a Marmot Precip jacket to cut the wind if needed. If I think I'll really feel the cold I'll put some long base bottoms under my climbing pants.
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vegastradguy
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the Patagonia R1 Hoodie is worth every dime of its $150 price tag. combine it with a shell of some sort and a baselayer and you'll be plenty warm for most climbing days!
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If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5.
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erisspirit
Feb 10, 2011, 9:34 PM
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byran wrote: If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5. I held out with my cheap cotton thermals for so long. Then I picked up a couple nice base layers on steepandcheap.com for a good price. They were so much better than what I was using, I got rid of the crap thermals I had. if your on a budget, the cheap stuff can work fine, but I must admit ... there are some really nice base layers out there.
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kaizen
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vegastradguy wrote: the Patagonia R1 Hoodie is worth every dime of its $150 price tag. combine it with a shell of some sort and a baselayer and you'll be plenty warm for most climbing days! Agree completely. However, if $150 is out of budget, you can get the exact same piece for $60 from MEC. The MEC Expedition Stretch Hoody is the exact same material, but missing the chest pocket and a chin/zipper protector (whatever that thing is called). http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302888491&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442627307
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Feb 10, 2011, 10:46 PM
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byran wrote: If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5. As a person who works outdoors all year long, and not in So Cal, I recommend staying away from cotton anything. The least amount of sweat will stay in the fabric and chill you to the bone. The simple answer is wearing fabrics that wick away moisture, and layering them as needed.
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l3uddy789
Feb 10, 2011, 11:02 PM
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kaizen wrote: vegastradguy wrote: the Patagonia R1 Hoodie is worth every dime of its $150 price tag. combine it with a shell of some sort and a baselayer and you'll be plenty warm for most climbing days! Agree completely. However, if $150 is out of budget, you can get the exact same piece for $60 from MEC. The MEC Expedition Stretch Hoody is the exact same material, but missing the chest pocket and a chin/zipper protector (whatever that thing is called). http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302888491&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442627307 Thank you this was really helpful. Also to clarify I am looking for certain brands that are cheap so I know what to look for, or places I can go to get cheap clothes that will work IE: wallmart.
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Kartessa
Feb 10, 2011, 11:05 PM
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kaizen wrote: vegastradguy wrote: the Patagonia R1 Hoodie is worth every dime of its $150 price tag. combine it with a shell of some sort and a baselayer and you'll be plenty warm for most climbing days! Agree completely. However, if $150 is out of budget, you can get the exact same piece for $60 from MEC. The MEC Expedition Stretch Hoody is the exact same material, but missing the chest pocket and a chin/zipper protector (whatever that thing is called). http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302888491&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442627307 Excellent product, got me one... 'cept they don't got MEC in the USA... How cold does it get in TX? Here in Canada, my winter rock climbing clothes are basically a midweight thermal top with a fleece jacket and if wind is a concern, I got a wind/rain jacket... It's not complicated and it need not be expensive.
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1904climber
Feb 10, 2011, 11:15 PM
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l3uddy789 wrote: Thank you this was really helpful. Also to clarify I am looking for certain brands that are cheap so I know what to look for, or places I can go to get cheap clothes that will work IE: wallmart. Walmart has some Starter brand shirts and pants that are not made out of cotton. i have a couple of them for colder nights (i climb at night once a week) the most important thing is buying layers and making sure you don't sweat too much. when you sweat it will make your clothes wet, which will make you colder. another reason why cotton is not good for cold weather.
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Kartessa
Feb 10, 2011, 11:19 PM
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1904climber wrote: l3uddy789 wrote: Thank you this was really helpful. Also to clarify I am looking for certain brands that are cheap so I know what to look for, or places I can go to get cheap clothes that will work IE: wallmart. Walmart has some Starter brand shirts and pants that are not made out of cotton. i have a couple of them for colder nights (i climb at night once a week) the most important thing is buying layers and making sure you don't sweat too much. when you sweat it will make your clothes wet, which will make you colder. another reason why cotton is not good for cold weather. Why you hate on cotton so much? Synthetics are alright, as is cotton, but seriously? how cold does it get in Texas?
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kachoong
Feb 10, 2011, 11:32 PM
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l3uddy789 wrote: kaizen wrote: vegastradguy wrote: the Patagonia R1 Hoodie is worth every dime of its $150 price tag. combine it with a shell of some sort and a baselayer and you'll be plenty warm for most climbing days! Agree completely. However, if $150 is out of budget, you can get the exact same piece for $60 from MEC. The MEC Expedition Stretch Hoody is the exact same material, but missing the chest pocket and a chin/zipper protector (whatever that thing is called). http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302888491&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442627307 Thank you this was really helpful. Also to clarify I am looking for certain brands that are cheap so I know what to look for, or places I can go to get cheap clothes that will work IE: wallmart. The Precip is on sale at Moosejaw for 70 bucks. One of the best cheapest wind/rain block layers out there. THey also have the Patagonia R1 (without hood) for 120. I use the EMC techwicks #1 as base layers, for about 30 bucks aren't too expensive for good base layers. They also have the Mountain Hardwear Synchro for 120, which is a good softshell.
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kachoong
Feb 10, 2011, 11:33 PM
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Kartessa wrote: 1904climber wrote: l3uddy789 wrote: Thank you this was really helpful. Also to clarify I am looking for certain brands that are cheap so I know what to look for, or places I can go to get cheap clothes that will work IE: wallmart. Walmart has some Starter brand shirts and pants that are not made out of cotton. i have a couple of them for colder nights (i climb at night once a week) the most important thing is buying layers and making sure you don't sweat too much. when you sweat it will make your clothes wet, which will make you colder. another reason why cotton is not good for cold weather. Why you hate on cotton so much? Synthetics are alright, as is cotton, but seriously? how cold does it get in Texas? The guy moved from TX to Flagstaff, AZ.
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l3uddy789
Feb 11, 2011, 5:10 AM
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Thanks for all the info guys. I also just made plans to go on a backpacking trip this spring break. So I am going to need some waterproof pants. I am good on the jacket I am going to get the marmot preclip. Any other suggestions that you guys have just let me know. Ian
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erisspirit
Feb 11, 2011, 5:18 AM
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While I love my softshell pants I now have, they are a bit spendy. worth it! but spendy What I started with, and still use in the spring, are just a simple pair of sierra design waterproof pants. They came in a nice little stuff sack and are pretty durable. Also I found at night as an extra outer layer they actually held in a lot of warmth.
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Feb 11, 2011, 5:28 AM
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I buy fleecy jackets from Good Will or any second-hand store. Last spring I bought 4 of them for $5 each. Two were useless but the other two looked good and felt great. On cold spring and fall days I wear the two jackets over two shirts. Anyway, "layers" is always good, and I can wear what I need, and leave the rest with my lunch.
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dan2see wrote: I buy fleecy jackets from Good Will or any second-hand store. Last spring I bought 4 of them for $5 each. Two were useless but the other two looked good and felt great. On cold spring and fall days I wear the two jackets over two shirts. Anyway, "layers" is always good, and I can wear what I need, and leave the rest with my lunch. never, never, never overlook thrift stores. You can get dope deals. Honestly.
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1904climber
Feb 11, 2011, 8:02 AM
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Kartessa wrote: 1904climber wrote: l3uddy789 wrote: Thank you this was really helpful. Also to clarify I am looking for certain brands that are cheap so I know what to look for, or places I can go to get cheap clothes that will work IE: wallmart. Walmart has some Starter brand shirts and pants that are not made out of cotton. i have a couple of them for colder nights (i climb at night once a week) the most important thing is buying layers and making sure you don't sweat too much. when you sweat it will make your clothes wet, which will make you colder. another reason why cotton is not good for cold weather. Why you hate on cotton so much? Synthetics are alright, as is cotton, but seriously? how cold does it get in Texas? i don't "hate on" cotton. it's not as good as other materials when it comes to cold weather outdoors stuff. I have no idea how cold it gets in texas or arizona, but at my house in san diego, it gets below freezing most nights in winter. i only need warm clothes here when i climb at night. other wise i wear shorts and a tee shirt, both made out of cotton
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The high-end items are expensive, for sure, but they last a long time, and the comfort is worth it. Be on a lookout for items on sale. In the meantime, I am sure you have some regular cheap generic fleece and long-sleeved shirts, they will work. My understanding from your previous posts is that you aren't exactly looking for high-teck gear for doing big-wall climb in winter. You are just doing single-pitch sport. Really, for that you are O.K. with piling up a lot of clothes to keep warm between climbing/while belaying, and then taking them off to climb. Weight and compressibility are not really a big concernt for you at this point.
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Feb 11, 2011, 2:41 PM
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byran wrote: If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5. In the winter, cotton kills. Cold is bad enough, but cold and wet can deadly. (Nevermind damn uncomfortable!)
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sknowlton wrote: byran wrote: If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5. In the winter, cotton kills. Cold is bad enough, but cold and wet can deadly. (Nevermind damn uncomfortable!) Then wear wool... my grandma knits a mean sweater.
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Get a decent baselayer. You can then get fleece even down at goodwill.
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Kartessa wrote: sknowlton wrote: byran wrote: If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5. In the winter, cotton kills. Cold is bad enough, but cold and wet can deadly. (Nevermind damn uncomfortable!) Then wear wool... my grandma knits a mean sweater. A good wool base layer is waaaaaayyyyy more expensive than synthetic. Tip: You don't have to to get name brands to stay warm. Wicking synthetics are pretty hot right now, so take a look at the materials (avoiding cotton), make sure it's a decent weave (unlike cheap polyester from the 70s) and check out the cut (ie - make sure you can comfortably raise your hands above your head). You might also be able to find a cheapo down/synthetic insulation vest, it's getting to be that time of year that they go on the clearance rack. Also, a decent pair of long-johns go a long way. At the top end they shouldn't be more than $30. And remember socks.....much nicer to have wool or a decent synthetic that doesn't hold moisture from your sweaty feet of when your shoes fill with snow (assuming you have to deal with snow).
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granite_grrl wrote: Kartessa wrote: sknowlton wrote: byran wrote: If you're just going to be cragging hit up Walmart and get some cotton thermals and a hoodie to climb in, and a synthetic poofie jacket to belay in. Total cost - $30 You don't need fancy synthetic base layers and lightweight shells unless you're doing backcountry in winter. Even then, the climbing brands are still sort of a rip off. I get most of my gear, like boots and stuff, from Big 5. In the winter, cotton kills. Cold is bad enough, but cold and wet can deadly. (Nevermind damn uncomfortable!) Then wear wool... my grandma knits a mean sweater. A good wool base layer is waaaaaayyyyy more expensive than synthetic. Tip: You don't have to to get name brands to stay warm. Wicking synthetics are pretty hot right now, so take a look at the materials (avoiding cotton), make sure it's a decent weave (unlike cheap polyester from the 70s) and check out the cut (ie - make sure you can comfortably raise your hands above your head). You might also be able to find a cheapo down/synthetic insulation vest, it's getting to be that time of year that they go on the clearance rack. Also, a decent pair of long-johns go a long way. At the top end they shouldn't be more than $30. And remember socks.....much nicer to have wool or a decent synthetic that doesn't hold moisture from your sweaty feet of when your shoes fill with snow (assuming you have to deal with snow). Grandma knits for free... it's like having my own personal sweat shop, right in my basement!
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You should look into one of these
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