Who cares just climb...

Its just who cares what gender or race or overweight. Everyone has there own style of climbing. Women are great climbers and so as men. The only difference might be the style in which they climb but that's not a big deal.

Your thinking too much... Were all good just climb...

Do you realize that by adding the second half of your post you completely undercut the otherwise excellent first half? It's like you wanted to demonstrate that you actually don't have a clue as to why there is a Ladies Room, even though you (clearly) do.

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GO

No, I don't see how that is the case, and would be interested in your perspective.



I was actually just taking a stab at humor, and imagining guys running with the scissors that would be the novelty of having a men's room forum. I do not actually think a men's room forum is needed or would have much in the way of seriousness if one were, for some reason, implemented.

- Because no-one wants one
- Because if one existed, it would be nothing like what you imagine/describe
- Because the men of the forum do not have the needs that such a forum fills
- Because your (seemingly serious) suggestion makes it seem as though your are oblivious to the three points above.
- Because if you can't tell the difference, you don't really understand why the women's forum would be helpful to some women here.

Oh, and sorry, your humor didn't really come across.

GO

Jeez - apparently not! You've got no emoticons going on there, GO, but it seems you are a little wound up on this one....

You may not have noticed, but I'm been known to give the smackdown to people(men and women alike) who minimize/intimidate and otherwise attack women on this forum for voicing concerns which would be "ladies room-appropriate"). I am not the enemy here, when it comes to female empowerment.

Huh? I'm not wound up. You seemed honestly puzzled, and asked me to explain, so I did.

I never said you were the enemy. As I said, you clearly know why the forum is here. I was simply pointing out that you totally undercut your own argument.

Cheers,

GO

Your tone comes across like you are.

The big indicators I was picking up on that lead me to believe the same thing are:

The repetitive use of because comes off as condescending.

The use of "you don't really understand" is a pretty harsh judgement, based on a couple of sentences, of someone's ability to conceptualize an issue.

You're right, little things like style, technique, center of gravity, height, reach, hip flexibility, hand size, weight, and muscle mass are exactly the same in men and women.

I mean except that whole style thing which you pointed out those other things don't effect your climbing at all.

Most of the points you make are not the same from person to person so god only knows how you go about defining them from man to woman. I repeat, most of them.

http://mandingueira.com/...upper-body-strength/

Granite girl,If at all valid then this link is interesting for you. Says to me that women do not need to train differantly to men at all.

Who ever said the same basic principles of building muscle mass works different for men than it does for women? In my experience though most women (myself included) don't start off at the same strength to weight ratio as men do. You then see women struggling on steep and burly routes and problems that the guy who just started climbing with her is monkey barring up.

Now this is totally a stereo type, but I think we can all relate to the young guy new to climbing muscling his way up routes at the gym. The other stereo type is the woman who takes well to the delicate vertical faces.

The problem is that strength begets strength and you get these ladies who have been climbing for a couple of years complaining how hard overhanging faces are (myself included back then). Meanwhile the guy hasn't really gained much technique from his monkey barring (though instead of complaining how hard slabby walls are he normally just wallows in the world of 5.10 at this point).

Everyone should work on their weaknesses and man and women tend to develop different weaknesses when they start climbing (it's WAY more fun to cater to your strengths). So yes, I think these two stereotypes need to train differently.

The link was in effort to be helpful not to argue against something you think you said.

The rest of your post is just rediculess. In context of climbers who have climbed for a few month perhaps you are more right than wrong.. but the exceptions even in those are thousands of people. One thing that is most true is women on over hangs, or more so the lack of.

The worst part here is that you assume women get some god given vert and slab technique.

Slab, vert, overhang, being the common angles in climbing do not fully pass over to each other. No 8a on sight level vert or slab climber will ever jump on a 8a overhang and complete it. I garuntee it. On the other hand.. a 8a on sight over hang climber will stand a very good chance at doing the compareble slab/vert.

Its simple why. Slab climbing has the smallest learning curve, its emphisis is more on technique than strength. You can do it over and over with ought muscles packing in, its not hard to learn. Over hangs though, the inherent physical strain that come with them make angle spacific technique consolidation much harder. You get less time to practice due to physical fatigue dictating the pace.

What you are trying to say is that men need to start climbing more slab and so so?.. wrong. Both men and women need to climb a mix of all.. but with the majority of time going to over hang, some to vert.. a little to slab. That is ofc, in the mindset of a climber wishing to be good at all.

I left roof climbing and other styles out for simplicity.

Most of the points you make are not the same from person to person so god only knows how you go about defining them from man to woman. I repeat, most of them.

http://mandingueira.com/...upper-body-strength/

Granite girl,If at all valid then this link is interesting for you. Says to me that women do not need to train differantly to men at all.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. That slab and verticle climbing is easy? I think that all depends on your strengths and weaknesses.

No.. slab and vert is not ''easy'' but in comparison to over hang, they are far easier to get more miledge on, for physical reasons i already pointed out. More miledge >> better chance to learn in that style. Slab skill deminishes FAST, i already said why in other post.

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Has it registered?.

Ceebo you really should run away and hide again.