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granite_grrl
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bearbreeder wrote: well then call me and many guides ive seen around here stupid ... and many of the experienced climbers, or those that climb alot ... many of us dont use tarps on the ground here and our gear wears just fine, as my partners old solid gates can attest to ... if its sooo dirty or muddy just use an ikea bag ... its not like a $$$$ rope bag is any better ... another RC special .. MUST buy a $$$$ rope bag 
You know, there are a lot of things I use in climbing that I don't really need. I could be using forged friends and a swami belt, but I like nice stuff that makes my life more comfortable.
No matter how you cut it a commercially made rope bag will be nicer than your Ikea bag. If you're a real cheapo I could see the appeal, but to me the cost of a rope bag isn't that much and worth the convienience.
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bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012, 6:36 PM
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nicer? ... not if yr trying to carry it any good distance ... youll just look like yr pregnant with the rope bag in the front and the pack at the back ... rather than just carrying the rope on yr pack/back as its meant to be on approaches and folding the idea bag in yr pack ... functionally an ikea bag will do everything you need without the fancy $$$$ logo
funny how the folks on MP seem to be fine with ikea bags ... but all the hardcore RCers who insist $$$$ bags are the only way to go ... damn gumby MPer
http://www.mountainproject.com/...n-rope-bag/107512959
as to forged friends or swarmi belts ... im not quite sure how that relates to using an ikea bag, or no bag at all ... plenty of people who do multi dont use rope bags ... if their ropes get dirty they just wash it every now and then ... they arent using swarmi belts ... and plenty of people who crag often dont use em either
maybe were all stupid geriatric dinos according to RCers
how often do you climb outside 
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granite_grrl
Mar 29, 2012, 6:37 PM
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bearbreeder wrote: now im not saying you shouldnt use a bag at all ... im sure certain places have more abrasive dirt ... what im AM saying is that you dont need one up here ... and you dont need a $$$$ one ... just go to ikea
So in the narrow climbing world of bearbreeder climbing only at his local crags you will never need a tarp?
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bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012, 6:42 PM
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ive never used on in BC and alberta ...
maybe you can tell us how often you climb and where ...
i ciimb 5-6 days a week weather permitting in squamish, penticton and the canadian rockies when its in season ... and most good off season days ...
and i stupidly, according to RCers, almost never use a rope bag ... of course plenty of "crags" out here you both crag and do multi at the same place, and climb yr way out
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redlude97
Mar 29, 2012, 6:46 PM
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bearbreeder wrote: nicer? ... not if yr trying to carry it any good distance ... youll just look like yr pregnant with the rope bag in the front and the pack at the back ... rather than just carrying the rope on yr pack/back as its meant to be on approaches and folding the idea bag in yr pack ... functionally an ikea bag will do everything you need without the fancy $$$$ logo
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granite_grrl
Mar 29, 2012, 6:53 PM
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bearbreeder wrote: rather than just carrying the rope on yr pack/back as its meant to be on approaches
I find carrying a rope IN my pack is the best way to distribute the load well. This is easy to do when I wrap my rope up in a neat little package with my rope bag. It is also already flaked out when I take it back out again.
Like I said, it's a worth while convinence for me. It's not a problem that you use an ikea bag (except I feel it looks a little noobish at the crag) but I don't understand your insistance that it's just as good as a proper rope bag.
In reply to: how often do you climb outside
Seriously? You're trying to play that card? Do you have inadequacy issues?
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csproul
Mar 29, 2012, 6:55 PM
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bearbreeder wrote: thats odd ... i climb 5-6 days a week for the last 2 seasons whether permitting ... rarely use a tarp, when i do its an ikea bag ... and my biners and belay devices are just fine want to bundle up a rope in an ikea bag? ... simply pull the one handle through the other and roll it, then strap to the pack ... most the guides up here may use a rope bag to carry their ropes, but rarely use the tarp, the rope is often on the ground and in the dirt ... how many people here who insist on the $$$$$ rope bags actually do longer multis every other day ... when yr doing 6+ pitches at with a lot of ledgy belays at least a few times a week, youll understand the futility of a $$$$ rope bag up here ... this is a typical belay out here ... id love to see people carry a rope bag up 12+ pitches ... [image]http://i40.tinypic.com/sdlagh.jpg[/image]
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bearbreeder
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granite_grrl wrote: Seriously? You're trying to play that card? Do you have inadequacy issues?
no i have a how often do you use yr gear issues ... since theres people claiming here that yr gear will die horrible deaths from wear if you dont use a bag ...
im not the most prolific climber by far ... but i use my gear often, and the people i know do as well ... like climbing every day often in season ... and we dont have issues with our gear dying from rope wear
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bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012, 6:57 PM
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csproul wrote: Not many people carry rope bags/tarps up multi-pitch climbs, but many many climbers find them valuable for cragging. It also matters where you climb. Try climbing somewhere muddy or someplace that has a lot of fine sand. It quickly gets on your rope and grinds away on you gear. Granite areas lie Squamish or Yosemite...not so much.
thank you ... that i do understand ...
my point is simply that up here i dont use or need one generally ...
and when i do, an ikea bag works just as well as an fancy $$$$ rope bag
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csproul
Mar 29, 2012, 7:06 PM
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I've never seen or used an Ikea bag, so i can't comment on its usefulness. I do, however, really like having a bag with a tarp. Here in the SE it can stay muddy and it gives me a place to keep the rope out of the mud , as well as my shoes and gear. I also prefer to carry the rope in my pack on the approach, so it is easy to wrap the whole thing up in the tarp/bag and stuff it in the bottom of a pack. Given how much I've spent on ropes, I don't really see the rope bag as a significant investment, especially given that I've had the same 2 bags for ~5-10 years.
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bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012, 7:10 PM
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well squamish is muddy ... so they tell me ... typical PNW weather ...
each to his/her own ....
just like anything else in climbing there are many ways to skin a cat ... i personally prefer to spend my money on a cam or a set of nuts ... but so long as people dont try to tell me that ikea bags dont work or that my gear will just die from not using a rope bag here ... its up to them
cause for some reason my partners and i are stupidly arent dead ... yet
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chadnsc
Mar 29, 2012, 7:17 PM
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bearbreeder wrote: csproul wrote: Not many people carry rope bags/tarps up multi-pitch climbs, but many many climbers find them valuable for cragging. It also matters where you climb. Try climbing somewhere muddy or someplace that has a lot of fine sand. It quickly gets on your rope and grinds away on you gear. Granite areas lie Squamish or Yosemite...not so much. thank you ... that i do understand ...
Then why didn't you show that understanding in your first two pages of posts?
bearbreeder wrote: my point is simply that up here i dont use or need one generally ... and when i do, an ikea bag works just as well as an fancy $$$$ rope bag
Actually untill your last post you’ve been saying that an ikea bag works great for a rope bag and there is no reason to use otherwise. Rather narrow minded and short sighted to be making such generalizations.
Not to mention it’s rather odd that you got all butthurt over a .69 cent ikea bag. 
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olderic
Mar 29, 2012, 7:21 PM
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granite_grrl wrote: It's not a problem that you use an ikea bag ( except I feel it looks a little noobish at the crag) but I don't understand your insistance that it's just as good as a proper rope bag.
Actually I have found that the ones who insist on dragging their $$$ ropebags every place - even when there are cheaper and BETTER solutions a lot of the time (not always) are the nOObs. Although the bag is usually a more subtle hint then the gym passes on their harness, their perfectly matched set of draws (they do like nice things after all and it's key to know that every one will be the same when you go for it) and the bandana on their dog "(Sierra") that color coordinates with their Prana outfit. Nice things are vital.
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bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012, 7:29 PM
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because there is no NEED for anything else ...
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olderic wrote: granite_grrl wrote: It's not a problem that you use an ikea bag ( except I feel it looks a little noobish at the crag) but I don't understand your insistance that it's just as good as a proper rope bag. Actually I have found that the ones who insist on dragging their $$$ ropebags every place - even when there are cheaper and BETTER solutions a lot of the time (not always) are the nOObs. Although the bag is usually a more subtle hint then the gym passes on their harness, their perfectly matched set of draws (they do like nice things after all and it's key to know that every one will be the same when you go for it) and the bandana on their dog "(Sierra") that color coordinates with their Prana outfit. Nice things are vital.
Funny post, but I'm curious - what do you mean by the italicized above?
I don't always bring my ropebag with me. For example on long climbs, it would be silly. But, as an owner of a ropebag that is quite useful when I go cragging, I cannot think of any examples where using something else in its place would be "cheaper" or "better"? What are these places, and these solutions, of which you speak?
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granite_grrl
Mar 29, 2012, 7:54 PM
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olderic wrote: granite_grrl wrote: It's not a problem that you use an ikea bag ( except I feel it looks a little noobish at the crag) but I don't understand your insistance that it's just as good as a proper rope bag. Actually I have found that the ones who insist on dragging their $$$ ropebags every place - even when there are cheaper and BETTER solutions a lot of the time (not always) are the nOObs. Although the bag is usually a more subtle hint then the gym passes on their harness, their perfectly matched set of draws (they do like nice things after all and it's key to know that every one will be the same when you go for it) and the bandana on their dog "(Sierra") that color coordinates with their Prana outfit. Nice things are vital.
You are correct about there being quite a few different systems that work well for different areas.
If I'm not returning to the base of the cliff where I started I'll wrap the rope up in itself and carry it on my back. Some place like the RRG I might carry a couple of tarps on top of the rope bag in a vain effort to stay quasi clean. And in the gym I'll admit I'm jealous of those rope buckets, but I don't go to a gym often enough to warrent it.
But in the end I find a rope bag very useful for the majority of my climbing and it seems good for someone looking for a general solution.
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Gabe - you realize that I am just playing a role here - right? My cellar probably contains more old rope bags (real ones) then everyone else on this thread put together has. But to answer your question - in the context of this thread, a gym would be one place where a official bag would be serious overkill and not even the best solution. The Yuppie response to that is usually - the MadRock bucket thingie is just the ticket - but even that is over priced and not as good as a collapsible laundry basket from Target.
If I ever grow a new rotator cuff (6 weeks post surgery today - 6 months "growing" time before I am supposed to touch a rock) maybe I won't be so cranky - but I probably will be.
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bearbreeder
Mar 29, 2012, 8:03 PM
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when the works just as well alternative is 69 cents (add a buck or two for a cheap tarp if you want that as well) vs the $30-60 ... which is basically a cam, a few draws or a good climbing book or two ...
it is $$$$ for something that is functionally equivalent to its "cheaper" alternative
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shimanilami wrote: There is a dude at my gym that uses a basket exactly like the kind snake charmers in India use. It's bad-ass. Every time I look over and see the rope coiling out of that basket, I'm like, "Watch out!! Fucking cobra!!" And then he flakes the rope back in, like he's charming that cobra back into it's lair. And I'm like, "Fuck, dude. That is so bad-ass." I mean, a Rope Master is cool and all, but it ain't no cobra basket.
I tried to set y'all straight, but sometimes some people need reminding: COBRA BASKET! It doubles nicely for laundry, too.
Every time you posers get in this IKEA bag circle jerk, I feel sorry for you. 2008?! Try 2000 late. I'm going Ghandi-style, yo, and throwin' my Rope Master and IKEA bag in the trash!
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robdotcalm
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Here's a way to save 69¢. Buy a Mammut rope and get this Ikea-like bag for free. It's even better than Ikea as it has two loops inside for securing the ends of the rope.
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