I move to remove the A6 grade from the site. The grade does not even exist. A5 implies every piece on the pitch is a bodyweight only piece, and it cant get much more serious than that.

As quoted by Wikipedia, "C6 or A6 does not exist, since the aid climbing scale was developed as discrete scale that is not open ended. Also, since C5 implies the death of both climber and belayer, a rating of C6 could not cause an increase in severity."

Furthermore, there isn't a single pitch on any climb in Yosemite graded A6, and Yosemite is pretty much the mecca of wall climbing. Thus, the grade has no use on this site.

There are A3 and A4 routes on El Cap with crap belays that probably wouldn't hold a FF2, but they dont get slapped with an A6 rating.

Furthermore, some of the A5s on El Cap have crappy 1/4" rivet and stud bolts for belays. Well if the leader falls at the end of the pitch and zippers down 200 feet onto a quarter-incher, do you really think it is going to hold?

Probably not. As far as the Fish Towers A6+ stuff goes, my impression is that no one believes them. I only asked a few people about this subject, but those who I asked were A4 and A5 wall climbers and they said that they do not recognize the A6+ rating they gave that route.

I am inclined to side with them, I mean how can you go from A5 to A6+ without even have ever climbed or rated an A5+ or A6?

That's ludicrous, that's like going from 5.14 to 5.16 with no experience climbing 5.15, you cant grade something that is so far above the already highest standard - no one will believe you.

Even yet, if A6 existed, it would mean that everything is bodyweight and shit. So how could you possibly have A6+?

Its not physically possible to make something more severe than all bodyweight. Thats like rating a climb XXX instead of just X. You cant have anything more serious than X because a fall on an X rated route means you will likely die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boQHYBhlOcs

Enough said.

On those A5, if a climber were to fall, zipper the pitch and yank the partner off the wall and they both die, it would most likely confirm the grade isn't A5 but A6.

let me see if i have this straight....if the leader falls, the belay fails, and both climbers die, we can upgrade the route?

See my statement above. Gullich proposed XI-/XI, which IS 8c+/9a, and that before confirmed 8a existed.

Sorry to thread jack, but...

Where did you get that last bit from? Gullich snagged the FA in 1991. In the late 80's many routes graded 8a and up at Smith alone saw repeats and had their grades confirmed in the process. To Bolt Or Not To Be (8b+) saw about 3 to 5 ascents by this time. So what do you consider an appropriate number of ascents to "confirm" a grade if that doesn't count in your book?

A6 is totally plausible. I seriously doubt you've ever even aided (other than pulling on a quick draw) And did you even notice the irony of this postin regard to your own Sig. Go back to clipping bolts, duchebag c:

This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boQHYBhlOcs

Wow! and people say SuperTopo is rude!

Wow! and people say SuperTopo is rude!

What'd he say? He was a lame wimp and deleted his post.

I was referring to Avalon420's post.

In the interest of posterity. He was spraying about walls he had done. I don't remember if he was being rude or not.

BTW, I still have the Max Jones manufactured 1/2 size friend you sold me in the Valley in the early 80's. How's that for an ancient memory? No, it's no longer on my rack, but it did catch a 20 footer.