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kennoyce
Sep 20, 2012, 7:49 PM
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sittingduck wrote: What do you guys think is the correct answer to a beginner climber asking if she should use a stopper knot on her figure 8 tie in? "Use a rethreaded bowline" or "Yes, use a stopper knot!"?
Neither
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HouseHippo
Sep 21, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Thanks for the replies everyone!
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knudenoggin
Sep 26, 2012, 4:00 AM
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Interesting in that the 2nd & 3rd videos show an >>asymmetric<<
dressing of the knot, in contrast to the first. For this, and various
other often ignored aspects of knot geometry, one should be
skeptical of "tests" that show <you name it> and give no insight
as to such details.
As for the so-called (by rockclimbers) "re-threaded bowline"
(aka "bowline on a bight", as far as the end result goes,
vs. the method of tying ...),
it strikes me as odd to want to trace the bowline,
rather than (e.g.) taking the 2nd pass of the tail up through
the "rabbit hole" again and repeating that part; then, one has
a 4 diameters through the central nipping loop (turn of the
mainline around these rabbit-paths). That knot isn't all so
tight, but coming untied now requires the tail working out of
the two tucks, and then doing so for those of the base bowline
--with a lot of tail flopping around prior such catastrophe.
There are some better things to to with the 2nd pass.
(One could simply run the rabbit out of the hole and then
just tie off with a strangle knot (the "half a dbl.fish" thing).
Which gets rid of the strange-tightened-shape issues, btw.
*kN*
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