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mrmojorisin
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Great new video series done by Soulryders Adventure productions. This is just the first video of the series about Eric Hörst and his family of climbers. His kids are his kids are 10 and 13 and already climbing at 5.14a, the youngest children to do so. check out part one here
http://soulryders.com/horsts-episode-1/
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roninthorne
Jan 10, 2014, 3:18 PM
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I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...
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ncrockclimber
Jan 11, 2014, 3:33 AM
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roninthorne wrote: I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...
You are a dick.
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marc801
Jan 11, 2014, 5:38 PM
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roninthorne wrote: I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...
Seriously, what's the point of a post like this?
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dindolino32
Jan 11, 2014, 6:50 PM
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this shitty response is why people left the forum.
I read Horsts books and climb significantly smarter now. They are a benefit to the climbing world.
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cragmasterp
Jan 11, 2014, 7:49 PM
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roninthorne wrote: I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time...
hah I thought it was pretty funny. I reckon yall gym climbers never had a Horst ransack one of your small time crags for profit.
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climbingtrash
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cragmasterp wrote: roninthorne wrote: I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time... hah I thought it was pretty funny. I reckon yall gym climbers never had a Horst ransack one of your small time crags for profit.
it's funny cuz it's troo!
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dindolino32
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Its kinda hard to ransack Yosemite.
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lena_chita
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cragmasterp wrote: roninthorne wrote: I'm sure they'll be writing Falcon Press guides to places where they never developed a single route in no time... hah I thought it was pretty funny. I reckon yall gym climbers never had a Horst ransack one of your small time crags for profit.
I haven't climbed at any of the small crags that are in Horst's VA, WV and MD guidebook, but I am curious, how did his guidebook publishing "ransacked" one of those small crags?
I can't imagine that climbers from OH started driving in droves to Old Rag, or whatever other local DC crag, with the publishing of this guidebook... It is still the local crag.
And it isn't like any of these crags were closed, there were online guides and topos and stuff like that, right?
Maybe some information is not accurate, I wouldn't know... but show me a completely accurate guidebook!
I just don't get the venom behind these comments...
(This post was edited by lena_chita on Jan 12, 2014, 5:28 PM)
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marc801
Jan 12, 2014, 4:28 PM
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lena_chita wrote: I just don't get the venom behind this comments...
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naitch
Jan 12, 2014, 10:25 PM
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Roninthorne can be a little "rough around the edges" however he may have reason to be bit cynical. He has helped develop and document some of our local crags and at one point had some online guides. His material found their way into Horst's book without any permission or attribution.
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billcoe_
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naitch wrote: Roninthorne can be a little "rough around the edges" however he may have reason to be bit cynical. He has helped develop and document some of our local crags and at one point had some online guides. His material found their way into Horst's book without any permission or attribution.
Sorry to see that. Horst has had some solid contributions, and I like the guy. Good to hear his kids are doing so well. Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
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chadnsc
Jan 15, 2014, 3:11 PM
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I giggled at Ronin's comment. Does that count? 
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marc801
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billcoe_ wrote: Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore?
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dr_feelgood
Jan 15, 2014, 8:37 PM
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marc801 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore? If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam.
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hyhuu
Jan 16, 2014, 1:49 PM
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dr_feelgood wrote: marc801 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore? If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam. I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message.
Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events?
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chadnsc
Jan 16, 2014, 2:30 PM
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Truthfully this is rather asinine; Roni's issues with Horst won't be solved or addressed by his posting here.
At most it's just a bit of attention seeking online drama that will provide us with some entertainment.
Hmmm, on second thought Roni's post was brilliant! Way to go Roni!
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granite_grrl
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chadnsc wrote: Truthfully this is rather asinine; Roni's issues with Horst won't be solved or addressed by his posting here. At most it's just a bit of attention seeking online drama that will provide us with some entertainment. Hmmm, on second thought Roni's post was brilliant! Way to go Roni!
Too many people don't think about what they are doing. Much like avoiding buying products from China I also avoid buiying guidebooks from Falcon. They are generally quickly made to get the book on the market, and while some area might need that superior guidebooks are generally created by locals.
Maybe now that more people are aware they might spend their money differently.
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olderic
Jan 16, 2014, 6:29 PM
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hyhuu wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: marc801 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore? If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam. I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message. Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events?
Sort of, but to complete the analogy - in this case the history writers also wouldn't bother to talk to peoplle who were there, visit the area or basically do anything beyond the most lightweight research before writing the "definitive" history.
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hyhuu
Jan 16, 2014, 8:34 PM
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olderic wrote: hyhuu wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: marc801 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore? If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam. I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message. Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events? Sort of, but to complete the analogy - in this case the history writers also wouldn't bother to talk to peoplle who were there, visit the area or basically do anything beyond the most lightweight research before writing the "definitive" history.
So I'm assuming that information in the Falcon Guide is incorrect. But even if that was the case, what's the big deal? It's only rock and climbing. It's not like high school text books ... wait, never mind.
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As one of the people not knowing the backstory I fail to appreciate grievances expressed against Mr. Horst.
I noticed that some climbers on this and other forums usually like to have guidebooks for the unknown crags, object against having guidebooks for their home crags, plan to put together a real climber's guidebook for their own crags, but fail to do so on account of climbing a lot, and spending the rest of their time on interwebs.
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theguy
Jan 17, 2014, 7:05 PM
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olderic wrote: hyhuu wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: marc801 wrote: billcoe_ wrote: Still thought that roninthrones quip was funny. WTF, can't anyone laugh anymore? If you don't know any of the back-story, it comes across as a vindictive slam. I think anyone that has ever read a falcon guide could get the general gist of Ronin's message. Is this analogous to historians who write about history but weren't even there to witness the events? Sort of, but to complete the analogy - in this case the history writers also wouldn't bother to talk to peoplle who were there, visit the area or basically do anything beyond the most lightweight research before writing the "definitive" history.
If, as Naitch states, Ronin's "material found [sic] their way into Horst's book without any permission or attribution", then presumably the Falcon guide is just as authoritative as the original, and the issue is one of plagiarism/copyright violation rather than of validity/thoroughness.
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markc
Jan 17, 2014, 9:05 PM
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To follow up on the first episode itself, I wonder if Mr. Hörst will ever mention how hard he climbs. It's keeping me up at night.
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marc801 wrote: markc wrote: To follow up on the first episode itself, I wonder if Mr. Hörst will ever mention how hard he climbs. It's keeping me up at night. You really should get a hobby or something, like maybe rock climbing! 
That's not a bad suggestion. I've hardly climbed this year. The two-year-old is cramping my style, but the bike commute keeps me in shape.
I don't know Eric Hörst from anyone, but he makes at least three references to how hard he pulls in a four minute video. If this was a drinking game and the video was twice as long, you'd need to go get your stomach pumped.
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