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shu2kill
Sep 5, 2014, 4:29 AM
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i found this picture and i noticed several issues... probably none of them are fatal, but i think several of them are at least frowned upon.
ps: the instructors call themselves expert climbers/rappelers
what do you think??
(This post was edited by shu2kill on Sep 5, 2014, 4:30 AM)
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sbaclimber
Sep 5, 2014, 7:11 AM
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I think the pic is way too small to actually see anything....
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skelldify
Sep 5, 2014, 2:02 PM
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Interesting you note that there are several issues, but none are fatal. I recently had a discussion with a friend I'm mentoring on "non-fatal errors." We concluded that a lot of accidents happen not because of a single fatal error, but because of two or more "questionable" items.
For example, a climber has odd clipping technique, and the belayer short ropes the climber has he clips. This results in the climber to dropping the rope while clipping and taking a large (potential ground) fall.
Neither was a fatal error, but a questionable practice (odd clipping technique and/or trying to clip while too pumped) and a minor mistake (short-roping the climber) may have come together to cause an accident.
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majid_sabet
Sep 5, 2014, 6:07 PM
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shu2kill wrote: i found this picture and i noticed several issues... probably none of them are fatal, but i think several of them are at least frowned upon. ps: the instructors call themselves expert climbers/rappelers what do you think??
rapper is been supported by back-up lowering system and had his 8 rigged correctly with his right hand behind his back to support main rope.
This is standard way of teaching and securing a beginner to rap and system is perfectly fine
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hobo_climber
Sep 5, 2014, 8:17 PM
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What issues do you see shu2kill?
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shu2kill
Sep 6, 2014, 1:22 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: shu2kill wrote: i found this picture and i noticed several issues... probably none of them are fatal, but i think several of them are at least frowned upon. ps: the instructors call themselves expert climbers/rappelers what do you think?? rapper is been supported by back-up lowering system and had his 8 rigged correctly with his right hand behind his back to support main rope. This is standard way of teaching and securing a beginner to rap and system is perfectly fine
thats correct, however:
1) biner is threaded through tie in points on the left side of the belay loop.
2) backup rope is tied through the belay loop
3) tail on the knot of the blue rope is too short, it seems the rope was only wrapped around the top pipe.
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cracklover
Sep 8, 2014, 4:12 PM
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shu2kill wrote: majid_sabet wrote: shu2kill wrote: i found this picture and i noticed several issues... probably none of them are fatal, but i think several of them are at least frowned upon. ps: the instructors call themselves expert climbers/rappelers what do you think?? rapper is been supported by back-up lowering system and had his 8 rigged correctly with his right hand behind his back to support main rope. This is standard way of teaching and securing a beginner to rap and system is perfectly fine thats correct, however: 1) biner is threaded through tie in points on the left side of the belay loop. 2) backup rope is tied through the belay loop 3) tail on the knot of the blue rope is too short, it seems the rope was only wrapped around the top pipe.
Like SBA said, the pic is way too poor/small to see any of that. At least on my screen.
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funk
Sep 9, 2014, 2:17 PM
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the simple fact that they're rappelling for fun is the most disturbing aspect of this situation.
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hyhuu
Sep 10, 2014, 12:01 PM
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And climbing for fun isn't?
funk wrote: the simple fact that they're rappelling for fun is the most disturbing aspect of this situation. |
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rocknice2
Sep 10, 2014, 2:11 PM
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hyhuu wrote: And climbing for fun isn't? funk wrote: the simple fact that they're rappelling for fun is the most disturbing aspect of this situation.
That' comment is disturbing!
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funk
Sep 11, 2014, 7:35 PM
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rocknice2 wrote: hyhuu wrote: And climbing for fun isn't? funk wrote: the simple fact that they're rappelling for fun is the most disturbing aspect of this situation. That' comment is disturbing!
i know, right? who in their right mind would associate rappelling for fun with actual ROCK climbing, which IS fun.
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