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baywolf
Mar 30, 2003, 3:50 AM
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you know, I have read a lot of posts on this site and have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people on this site that should not be voicing their opinion. Now I dont know if what they say just comes out wrong or what, but it is very hard to read comments on forums from someone who a) doesnt know what they are talking about, or b) is just putting in their two cents and stating what has already been said by the other 20 people who put in their two cents.
I just read a forum about choping bolts from which some one replied, " if its possible to walk up and TR the climb, then bolting the route is not necessary." Does anyon else see a problem with this statement?
Thats it. im done. thats all i got to say. bye.
PS. feel free to criticize.
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coldclimb
Mar 30, 2003, 3:57 AM
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lol, yes there's plenty of stupid people here. Just gotta think hard and check a lot of things out before taking anything on here as absolute truth.
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galt
Mar 30, 2003, 4:01 AM
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If 20 people put in their 2 cents that's 40 cents!!! Not half bad. For 40 cents you can buy a pack of gum, a soda at Sams, or 1/10th of a meal at McDonalds! So go ahead and send me your 2 cents. I'll take it!
Honestly though I've learned a lot from this site. There are those who make some stupid comments and use this site as their personal soap box, but I choose to rifle through their crap and read some decent stuff. But that's what makes America so great. You are entitled to your own opinion, just as I am mine.
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flyinghatchet
Mar 30, 2003, 4:01 AM
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I agree with coldclimb. If you are going to take advice or instructions on this site, you're going to have to filter some of it. There are plenty of reputable climbers here who know their stuff, you just have to find out who.
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curt
Mar 30, 2003, 4:04 AM
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In reply to: you know, I have read a lot of posts on this site and have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of people on this site that should not be voicing their opinion. Now I dont know if what they say just comes out wrong or what, but it is very hard to read comments on forums from someone who a) doesnt know what they are talking about, or b) is just putting in their two cents and stating what has already been said by the other 20 people who put in their two cents. I just read a forum about choping bolts from which some one replied, " if its possible to walk up and TR the climb, then bolting the route is not necessary." Does anyon else see a problem with this statement? Thats it. im done. thats all i got to say. bye. PS. feel free to criticize.
baywolf,
I agree with you completely. However, the example you cited relates only to a stylistic opinion.
The ones to really watch out for are the opinions that relate to climbing safety. I have read many things posted here opining on safety issues which were posted by people who were either inexperienced or ill advised.
Curt
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calimouth
Mar 30, 2003, 4:06 AM
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To me, that case is just a difference in opinion. Some people believe that the rock should be left in as pristine condition as possible. If you don't need to lead it, then why bolt it? But, there are others who believe that we should be free to climb the rock how we want to (save for leaving ghastly pin scars, etc.) It's just an ongoing debate, and you obviously have an opinion on the matter. My opinion is that chopping bolts is not the right right of going about "protecting" the rock--it seems too militant to me. That's just my take. And remember, there's no need to flame people for their opinions through the comfort of internet anonymity.
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laskowski
Mar 31, 2003, 2:19 AM
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i agree with galt. i am semi-new to climbing and i have learned a lot of info from browsing through this site. There are some posts that arent worth reading because the person doesnt know what is goin on but most of the time you can tell and just skip it. come on dont knock the site, its one of the better climbin ones that i have visited
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mhr2000
Mar 31, 2003, 2:39 AM
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Do I see anything wrong with this statement?
-----"if its possible to walk up and TR the climb, then bolting the route is not necessary." -----
Well, anything can be taken out context and twisted around to mean something completely different then what the author had intended. His statement is perfectly valid. He isn't saying that bolting SHOULD NOT be done, only that it's not necessary. What he means by "not necessary" is that the route CAN be safely climbed without the use of bolts. In this situation bolts would be used for purely egotistical reasons. Now if you cannot gain access for TR and there isn't TRAD placements then bolting would be necessary in order to safely climb.
For some reason TRing has been deemed the lowest form of rock climbing and I just don't get it.
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djnibs
Mar 31, 2003, 6:42 PM
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I would have to agree that TR has been deemed the lowest form. and after reading through this thread, and people complaining about others giving "their 2cents", i see more people posting voicing their opinion. now when i started climbing, i took a top roping course. while taking this course, the "experianced" climber stated that no matter who you talk to about climbing, everyone has their own opinion of the safest way, or the better way, or what not. now, there is a lot of people on here who really don't know anything about anything, but thats ok. if all we had were "experts" then we would have no character on this website. its the balance of experianced and knowledgable climbers vs. those of us who don't know anything, that makes this site the wonderfull place that it is. Now we should all stop complaining and go outside (or inside if thats what you do) and CLIMB!!!!!! to each there own. :D
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ljthawk
Mar 31, 2003, 7:18 PM
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This thread and its reference to a statement taken out of context has to be nothing more then a troll to get people going on an already over debated topic. I do agree that some of the things I read here need to be weeded through. For example, there's a thread debating which is more honorable / harder, TR'ing or bouldering; It has to be one of the lamest things I've read in a long time.
Also, after reading several threads it is my conclusion many people here need to get out and get in touch with the "outdoor" climbing community, especially those in the areas they climb. That's where you really learn technical skills and ethics, not behind the keyboard from random people who may or may not know what they are talking about.
"Opinions are like hemroids, if someone doesn't have one they eventually will" ---Unknown
L.J.
(someone who is perpetually learning)
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jumpingrock
Mar 31, 2003, 7:30 PM
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Ok basically I compare reading these posts to climbing a loose wall. You have to check every post and skip the suspect ones or you could end up taking a long lead fall. And don't forget to wear a helmet
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flying_dutchman
Mar 31, 2003, 7:50 PM
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i love the irony to this thread
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dekenstructor1
Mar 31, 2003, 8:28 PM
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my mama always said....
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scandal
Mar 31, 2003, 8:33 PM
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(my two cents)
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da5id
Mar 31, 2003, 8:39 PM
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the world is made up of stupid people. some say 80% of everybody on earth are stupid. In that case, chances are you're stupid. chances are i'm stupid too. If you havent gotten used to the fact that in life one must deal with stupid people, then youre not going to be vey succesful
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scandal
Mar 31, 2003, 8:44 PM
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Well if you imagine how stupid the average person is, then think that half of them are stupider then that…
-George Carlen (sp???)
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mount
Mar 31, 2003, 9:08 PM
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89% of people believe they are personally above average for an intelligence level.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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dekenstructor1
Mar 31, 2003, 10:38 PM
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mount wroteIn reply to: 89% of people believe they are personally above average for an intelligence level
-Homer J. Simpson
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jumpingrock
Apr 1, 2003, 1:23 AM
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I am above average intelligence.
Oh and Define stupid.
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dmon
Apr 1, 2003, 1:52 AM
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In reply to: But that's what makes America so great. You are entitled to your own opinion, just as I am mine.
Well thats right. Only Americans can do that. Still if idiots spouting complete shit is what makes your country great, no wonder George W is in charge...
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ljthawk
Apr 1, 2003, 3:04 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: I just read a forum about choping bolts from which some one replied, " if its possible to walk up and TR the climb, then bolting the route is not necessary. This is true. I think YOU should explain why it isn't. Clipping bolts allows some to pound on their chest.............and that's about it, IMHO.
I agree with pornstar, if you are going to attack someone else's comments, especially taken out of context, you need to back up your attacks with reasoning and thought. Otherwise you might as well piss against the wind.
L.J.
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baywolf
Apr 2, 2003, 5:31 PM
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In reply to: What he means by "not necessary" is that the route CAN be safely climbed without the use of bolts. In this situation bolts would be used for purely egotistical reasons.
Mhr2000, why would placing a sport route be for egotistical reasons if there is a walk-up? For me I would rather be leading(be it sport or trad) than TR because, well TR just doesnt do it for me anymore. Having lead routes on a walk-up can also be helpfull if for some reason you cant finish the climb, then one could just walk up and rap down to recover gear. Any how, I full disagree with the "purely egotistical" statement.
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christianbennet
Apr 2, 2003, 6:00 PM
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I heard that 3 out every 4 climbers make up 75% of the climbing community. :D
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mr_phelps
Apr 2, 2003, 6:45 PM
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I'm not really sure I care about everyone else's posts. I acutally only read posts that I find interesting. For example, the post on southern Illinois I will read, because that's where I climb. I will most likely not read a post that I do not find interesting, like a debate over rock shoes. So what's the problem? Is your info so much better then everyone else's crap?
Anyway, whining about dumb stuff on the INTERNET, wake up genius, that's the dumbest thing I have heard today. The internet is full of crap, you should have realized this by now. Hello Captain Obvious, it's the INTERNET, home of pop-ups, and more porn than you can shake your pee-pee at.
Please complain about something relevent, like the number of sand grains on a beach or the amount of dirt in the forest.
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dekenstructor1
Apr 2, 2003, 6:53 PM
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mr_phelps-
hmm...complaining about his complaining about something that you deem to be not worthy of complaining about
i don't see how that makes sense
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