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gemiller
Sep 25, 2003, 12:17 PM
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Is this magazine worth subscribing to? Do they have good and usefull content? I was thinking about subscribing but was curious if it was really worth 30 bucks..
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nbrown
Sep 25, 2003, 12:24 PM
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yeah good stuff
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polarwid
Sep 25, 2003, 12:27 PM
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Articles?...Good ones on this site
Photos?...Great ones on this site
Guidebooks?...None in the mag, quite a few decent ones on this site
Interaction with like-minded, non 5.13 climbing brethren?...None in the Mag, lots here
So to sum it up...
Send $30.00 to the site, and check out the magazine from the library if there happens to be something good in it! :wink:
By the way, I have a subscription to the mag, and it is really good for the first few days, then it gets old and put in the drawer with the othe 50 issues i have...
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dc
Sep 25, 2003, 1:11 PM
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i think its worth the money actually... it has some really good stuff in it...
im not subscribed to it though... but i do enjoy reading the few and occasional issues i get...
my favourite climbing mag is "Rock" (http://www.rock.com.au)
- an Australian magazine... but of course to someone in the US it would be kinda pointless...
anyway.. im not sure if a subscription would be worth the money... but for me, the occasional issue does me fine :wink:
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bumblie
Sep 25, 2003, 1:16 PM
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Yes.
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drkodos
Sep 25, 2003, 1:23 PM
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No.
The magazine is a propaganda tool.
It distorts reality.
It is part of the over commercialization of climbing.
As mentioned above, your $30 would be better spent here.
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danl
Sep 25, 2003, 2:15 PM
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warning: I am going to Rant..
Climbing is a worthless piece of crap magazine whose pages are better relegated to wiping the sh*t off my ass. The writing is atrocious, the photography second rate, and a majority of the pages are advertisements. Now to be fair there are good contributors to the magazine who write worthwhile articles and advice. unfortunately such phenomenon occur so rarely its not worth your $30.
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dsafanda
Sep 25, 2003, 3:06 PM
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It has really gone downhill since change of ownership.
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maculated
Sep 25, 2003, 3:25 PM
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When the "tech tips" are things people should already know, thats when a magazine shows its true colors. Love the "Alpinist" though.
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alpiner
Sep 25, 2003, 3:54 PM
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In reply to: It has really gone downhill since change of ownership.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Rock & Ice.
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vanny37
Sep 25, 2003, 4:14 PM
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In reply to: Love the "Alpinist" though.
Second that.
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dsafanda
Sep 25, 2003, 4:20 PM
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In reply to: dsafanda wrote: It has really gone downhill since change of ownership. Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Rock & Ice.
Funny...I was thinking R&I has actually improved a bit.
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chingas
Sep 25, 2003, 5:19 PM
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It's easy. Don't subscribe. Buy only the issues you like. :wink:
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allarounder
Sep 25, 2003, 5:23 PM
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There's a whopping two articles in the current issue. yippee. My subcription is getting cancelled. R&I was 6 mo. ago. The quality of both has dropped off in the last year -- they both used to give beta to areas, travel info, lots of good stuff -- I have over 100 issues as reference for trips, etc. Now they go in the trash.
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bxt
Sep 25, 2003, 5:54 PM
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I've got to agree with polarwid- it mostly covers things either out of my range or off my radar. Actually, it can almost be depressing too.... look at all this kick butt climbing that you're not doing. :)
Besides- I traded off all my mags & newspaper for broadband- better for the environment, no?
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iamthewallress
Sep 25, 2003, 5:57 PM
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In reply to: When the "tech tips" are things people should already know, thats when a magazine shows its true colors.
Indeed. Mike Clelland is one hell of an illustrator though.
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hooker
Sep 25, 2003, 6:06 PM
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Take a peak at their readership & subsriber profile demographics....
I thought the funniest statement above was that is was all good up to a year ago!
When the ownership of these rags passed from people that actually lived for climbing to the same corporate mentality that now runs Las Vegas Casinos, all was lost.
R.I.P.
Suzanne
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dingus
Sep 25, 2003, 6:21 PM
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In reply to: When the ownership of these rags passed from people that actually lived for climbing to the same corporate mentality that now runs Las Vegas Casinos, all was lost.
It was actually all lost when our numbers increased to the point of creating a viable "climbing industry." We're all just mass consumers now.
It was more fun on the fringe. But the gear is certainly better now.
DMT
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msiddens
Sep 25, 2003, 6:29 PM
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All of it is true true...been subscriber for 15 years now and certainly seen the mag change a bit. I still enjoy most Climbing's with SOME R&I's. It's just that I've gotten much pickier about which mags I buy and/or keep. So much of it now is super basic stuff.
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fiend
Sep 25, 2003, 7:16 PM
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All of their news is always months old ;)
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bumpkin
Sep 25, 2003, 11:26 PM
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Climbing, Rock and Ice = porn.
Most porn isn't one huge product placement ad, though. Those climbing rags are. Disappointing.
Alpinist, Canadian Alpine Journal = the bomb.
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epic_ed
Sep 25, 2003, 11:58 PM
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I thought this months Climbing was about the most poorly edited piece of crap I've seen them publish yet. Some very obvious, amature mistakes. Beth Rodden's journal was nice, but the rest of it was generally unreadable. Seems R&I has been the better of the two publications lately, but they both turn out some pretty boring stuff. Alpinist is by far a superior periodical.
Ed
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climbhigh2005
Sep 26, 2003, 12:01 AM
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Its wroth it! aweosme mag!
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danl
Sep 26, 2003, 12:18 AM
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In reply to: I thought this months Climbing was about the most poorly edited piece of crap I've seen them publish yet. Some very obvious, amature mistakes. Ed
I have to agree with the above statement. Some of the articles read like the rough draft of a bad high school term paper.
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koto
Sep 26, 2003, 12:22 AM
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In reply to: my favourite climbing mag is "Rock" ( http://www.rock.com.au) - an Australian magazine... but of course to someone in the US it would be kinda pointless...
yeah, Rock rocks! :P :D
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