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Oct 27, 2003, 7:15 PM
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Hey Geo, I locked the thread as it was considered unsuitable discussion material for the forum, but if it is a valid question, he posted how to get in touch with him by private e-mail with any advice. If that is what he was genuinely soliciting, then there should be no issues with locking the thread and having responses re-directed there. As for the personal apology from debsanders, that should be taken up with her privately and at her discretion. Though I think her reaction was based on previous posts from tgreene (please read first 2 pages of his last posts). I may have jumped to the same conclusion.... In regards to topics you mentioned. Shaving scrotums??? I must have missed that one. I am not aware of the context that that was in, but some things do get by us here. The first topic of tampons is perfectly acceptable for this forum. I don't have time to go into why right now, but if you'd like a further explanation, let me know by PM and I'll write you an explanation tonight. ~Erica
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Oct 27, 2003, 8:28 PM
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Brad Pitt naked!!! Where? Where? Damn. I also agree with Geo. But, let me qualify this: (1) I'm not a raging feminine activist. (2) I think the ladies' room can at times be annoying from a feminist point of view. (3) I used to be embarrassed about my feminine functions, but now, if I'm on a road trip, I'll turn to my male companion and go, "We gotta find a bathroom, Aunt Flo is visiting." I do think Mr. Greene does paint two different colors of himself if you go through his prevous posts, but I did think this was a pretty serious thread. But, what do you really expect from this forum for the most part? You're going to find (a) questions hoping to demystify the girlish processes from men - and women sometimes - and (b) women's empowerment posts. Since in the past, we ladies have been forward about helping out with non-climbing issues such as presents for boyfriends, break-ups, and talking about our luscious boobies large or small, this makes it an approachable forum for men who have no one else to ask. I am more prone to answer these threads rather than the "We're taking over climbing! Go Grrrrrls!" because I like hanging out with guys and don't feel like i've got anything I need to prove. Not my issue, equality and all that. So, if the ladies get a bit ticked off as questions of demystification, they shouldn't answer the lighter ones or else not be offended by the more serious ones. I don't think Greene did anything wrong.
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Neither my wife or I feel that it's anything to embarrased about what-so-ever! It was a very legit question, that piqued our interest even more, when we discovered my sister has experienced the very same thing. I also figuerd this was the best forum, because of exactly what is stated in the forum description:
In reply to: A place for women to share their experiences, ask female-related questions and get empowered in a comfortable environment. All are free to post or read, but keep in mind that there can be sensitive topics here, enter with maturity in mind. Highly moderated and spamming not allowed. It's one thing to 'goof' in the community forum, but what's said there should remain there, and not be dragged along like unnecessary baggage. Since I've clearly been 'labeled', maybe I should just follow debsanders' request and leave... I have climbed just fine since '89 w/o any of you, and only discovered this board a week ago when directed to it by a fellow climber, so I certainly won't lose any sleep if I'm not welcome here!
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[quote:d79f5cd3c3="climberchic"]I locked the thread as it was considered unsuitable [i:d79f5cd3c3]discussion[/i:d79f5cd3c3] material for the forum, but if it is a valid question, he posted how to get in touch with him by private e-mail with any advice. If that is what he was genuinely soliciting, then there should be no issues with locking the thread and having responses re-directed there.[/quote:d79f5cd3c3] while i respect your opinion, i don't see anything wrong with the subject matter in question. i mean, in the end, we're talking about [i:d79f5cd3c3]nipples[/i:d79f5cd3c3], for crying out loud. last i checked both sexes had 'em. :wink: again, i would suggest that topic is more benign than a thread started by a man as to how to shave one's scrotum; a thread, by the way that went on and on. [quote:d79f5cd3c3="climberchic"]As for the personal apology from debsanders, that should be taken up with her privately and at her discretion.[/quote:d79f5cd3c3] debsanders responded publicly. it's only fair she apologizes publicly. [quote:d79f5cd3c3="climberchic"]Though I think her reaction was based on previous posts from tgreene (please read first 2 pages of his last posts). I may have jumped to the same conclusion.[/quote:d79f5cd3c3] thank you for admitting you might have jumped to conclusions, erica; this is exactly the kind of fairness i knew you'd display. [quote:d79f5cd3c3="climberchic"]The first topic of tampons is perfectly acceptable for this forum. I don't have time to go into why right now, but if you'd like a further explanation, let me know by PM and I'll write you an explanation tonight.[/quote:d79f5cd3c3] i agree that the tampon thread is acceptable -- after all it [i:d79f5cd3c3]is[/i:d79f5cd3c3] the ladies' room. my point is this: one thread deals with menstruation and how to manage the situation while climbing, the other deals with a woman's nipples and her problem with hypersensitivity in that area subsequent to childbirth. i just thought that a man's plea on behalf of his wife -- to a group of women -- might have been handled with more sensitivity and aplomb. especially since you can't swing a dead cat in community without hitting a thread about what women/men like, "eating a dead whore" (an actual thread, by the way), and others of a similar ilk. erica, i understand it must sometimes be difficult to be a moderator. i, for one, appreciate what you and all the others do in an attempt to keep this ship on an even keel. and i certainly don't want you to feel as if i'm indicting you in this matter. thank you for your honest response. i await to hear what others may have to say. regards, geo
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Oct 27, 2003, 8:55 PM
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Oh, what a tangled web we weave...........................
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erica -- on your suggestion i reviewed the two most recent pages of tgreene's posts. frankly i can't find anything wrong with what he's posted. most of his comments have been on topics in the community forum and [i:9673db297c]in the spirit of the particular thread[/i:9673db297c]. what about [i:9673db297c]my[/i:9673db297c] posts and the type of person one might assume [i:9673db297c]me[/i:9673db297c] to be based solely on [i:9673db297c]that[/i:9673db297c] criteria? come on ... i'm certainly not the most serious of people here. why should [i:9673db297c]my[/i:9673db297c] persona appear to carry more weight than tgreene's?
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Oct 27, 2003, 9:34 PM
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WOW! I can't believe that the puritan known as 'debsanders' actually participated in the following thread, and didn't combust into a massive ball of flames or something even more unspeakable... Hell have mercy on her soul! :twisted: http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=516299&highlight=&sid=b5c9df64fe1cc384cef6e9a328508cdb#516299
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Oct 27, 2003, 10:08 PM
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In reply to: Erica, Here's your shaved scrotum thread: http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35626&sid=f43eb763887ac797c8dddd72b2f086c0 Ah-Haa!!! So that's why people keep asking me about shaved balls..... hmmm, damned imposters. I think that Brad Pitt's naked shaved balls is a much less appropriate topic than sore nipples
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Ouch! My apologies, it was a serious question. I jumped to a too quick conclusion based on reading one page of your posts. Sorry, please except . . . Deb
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Apology accepted (sorta), but since you managed to incite a riot w/o any knowledge of the facts and get the thread locked... To fully redeem your soul, you must send me a brand new 60m dry treat Edelweiss w/ new rope bag -- Your sins will be forgiven, and you will feel much better in the end! http://www.climbonrock.com/anniversary.htm
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I kind of agree with mtngeo and kind of agree with erica...Lemme 'splain. In general I'm for as little moderation as possible, so I'm inclined to think that we should be able to lump sexual issues along with other issues of body function and body image. Now...substitute clitorus of nipples in his original post and ask yourself if it seems as legit for this "family site" as questions about body self-image with respect to breast size? Most of us know what the tone of this site is and we choose to post here just the same. Why does everyone continue to act shocked when sexually themed threads and threads with lots of cussing get the axe?
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In reply to: I'll add my last bit of two cents worth. I think it was the fact of inconsistency regarding this recent whacking as opposed to other, more frivolous threads that were retained. tgreene had what appeared to be a legitimate concern (and for the sake of reality, we'll keep nipples and not substitute clitoris). His thread was locked because someone took offense and someone else didn't think it fit in the realm of the Ladies' Room. Look at all the other threads that have slipped through, INCLUDING, as we said, posts on breast size (big boobs are considered by many a sexually suggestive topic), and certainly the long thread about shaving body hair, including that on a man's scrotum, really pushed the envelope, but was kept nonetheless. So where did tgreene go wrong? And how are the Ladies REALLY moderating this forum? Is it on a whim? Is it truly as highly moderated as is stated? If I were moderator then, I'd probably have sent the scrotum shaving thread packing to Community. Being a straight woman, I feel like if I start a thread about how my breast size effects my self-image and possibly my climbing, it is not a highly sexual topic, whereas if I discuss (hypothetical) problems with my parnter's state of arousal following vasectomy (and complain that I'm bummed because I'm into penises), that it's much more sexually charged. I felt like erica took a middle ground on this one. She let the thread stay, but locked it for further posts. I don't mind if it didn't seem totally fair with respect to other questionable posts that mods either didn't see or ignored, because to make it more fair would almost certainly, given the nature of the site, mean more moderation rather than less which I don't really want to stump for. It's not clear to me what y'all are arguing for....In the attempt to make the forum more even handed, do you want to see more moderation or less? Also, FWIW, even though my name appears as a mod for the forum, I have stepped down from that fun duty.
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debsanders -- you rock. 8) geo
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Aye carumba. I leave for a few hours and lookie what I find waiting for me. ;) I would honestly love to respond to everyone on this and explain my position, but I just returned back from a lil' honeymoonin' and have way too little time to do any of your responses justice (as I explained to geo in a pm). I'll go with the majority speaks on this one and unlock the thread. If it anyone disagrees with this, please post here or PM myself or one of the mods and we'll start wheelin' and dealin' again. ;) But thanks all for keeping the discussion mature. It's a breath of fresh air to what I have been seeing on the site lately. ...and another reason why I love the Ladies Room. :)
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community would be a breath of fresh air too, if they had [i:46c8442ec0]this[/i:46c8442ec0] much potpourri! to everyone involved in this debate, my greatest appreciation and respect for indeed keeping it civil. especially climberchic for her open mind, and debsanders for rising to the challenge. *bullhorn* return to your homes, citizens ... there's nothing more for you to see here.
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QUOTE: Ever since my wife had a baby 13 years ago, her nipples have been ultra-sensitive and she can't stand them to be touched. Since I really dig nipples, this sucks! UNQUOTE (the bold and underline are my addition) perhaps it would have been taken more seriously, and less like a troll if the "i really dig nipples" bit was left out. It is possible that some of the reactions were a bit strong... but hey - if people are free to post such questions, others should be free to be offended by them! From my point of view, there is nothing offensive to me, but perhaps the question could have been put in better words and without extra comments... as to the issue - have never had a child so don't know. BUT - with breasts and nipples one should NEVER take any chances, so my opinion is to go back to the doctor and INSIST on a proper diagnosis - in today's day and age NO WOMAN should suffer in silence, and ABSOLUTELY NO DOCTOR should shrug off pain or discmfort as "just a woman thing".
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I never said she experiences pain, I said HYPER-SENSITIVITY, as in ticklish & irritating beyond description. She has to be very careful when buying new bra's because of this, and cannot wear anything lacy or any type of mesh, due to the sensations specific fabrics would cause. And yes, it DOES SUCK for both of us... Her because she has to deal w/ this 24/7, and me because as expressed in the initial post, I do enjoy caressing her body! I started the thread with nothing more than an honest attempt to gain a real answer from other women who may or may not have experienced such things. It was not meant to start a flame war, it wasn not meant for Femi-Nazis to have yet another reason to hate men, it was not meant as anything sexual. It was meant as it was written! BTW Deb: If I could get that rope in a gold/blue braid, that would be totally awesome! 8) PS -- I don't shave my balls!
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Its great that its not pain, but still, if it is causing her a problem (especially if even with daily things such as bras etc) I would like to think a doctor should be able to help- or if not recommend a specialist who might be able to. Am a bit touchy about this coz spent a couple of years suffering from something which was written off by my doc as "normal woman pain" etc only to find out that a simple treatment (precribed by another doc) solved.
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She has mentioned this to numerous docs over the years, and the answer is always the same... We have both been through a number of medical situations involving mis-diagnosis, so we tend to be cautious thes days, and ask around (as we were attempting to do here). A couple of years after we married, she was visiting her OB/GYN for a routine appointment and during his questioning, she mentioned to him that she had no clitoral sensations or feeling, so the bastard took it upon himself to fondle her to see if he couldn't *spark* a response... It's a good thing I wasn't informed of this until long after, or I would have wired a cattle prod up to a 220v diesel generator, shoved it up his ass, and attempted to *spark* a response of his prostate. He's long gone now, but I sincerely hope he died a miserable and painful death, and is writhing in hell for abusing his patients! FWIW: The above mentioned sensations have fully returned, and is now perfectly normal, and because of this, that's why we had hoped for positive responses for her breasts...
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i'm not sure what my opinion here is. i was away climbing when this whole thing went on. the only threads i'm adimant about modding are a) guys looking for a date b) a duplicate of something that has already been posted. i think that the nipple thread was okay, since we have already discussed genital shaving/waxing in such detail. the troll calling is getting out of hand on the rest of the board, and it just isn't cool in here. if all you can respond with is "OMG A TROLL" then don't, and fire a PM to ALL of the ladies' room mods with your concerns. that being said, no one will ever be completely happy with the way things are done. keep on keepin' on, be an individual, don't apologize for your opinions. oh, and:
In reply to: A couple of years after we married, she was visiting her OB/GYN for a routine appointment and during his questioning, she mentioned to him that she had no clitoral sensations or feeling, so the bastard took it upon himself to fondle her to see if he couldn't *spark* a response reasons like this I don't trust doctors. i would have kicked his face off. well, i say that, but normally when put in an awkward situation by a doctor, we tend to take it then, and then think about it later....
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In reply to: oh, and: In reply to: A couple of years after we married, she was visiting her OB/GYN for a routine appointment and during his questioning, she mentioned to him that she had no clitoral sensations or feeling, so the bastard took it upon himself to fondle her to see if he couldn't *spark* a response reasons like this I don't trust doctors. i would have kicked his face off. well, i say that, but normally when put in an awkward situation by a doctor, we tend to take it then, and then think about it later.... Whoa! That is not just a sexual assault but a serious breach of trust. I've seen a number of cases where docs have been sentenced to jail for exactly that. There are only a very few and rare circumstances in which it is appropriate for a doctor to touch the clitoris - like infection or injury. Sexual stimulation is NOT one of them. If TG and his wife don't want to take this up, I don't blame them - but they shouldn't be surprised if someone else does and he ends up before the courts. You can bet he's done this to other women. This kind of stuff really pisses me off. :evil:
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In reply to: The rest of my post stated that he's dead... When she finally told me about this incident, I wanted to go kill the guy myself! In reply to: He's long gone now, but I sincerely hope he died a miserable and painful death, and is writhing in hell for abusing his patients! Too bad. Should dig him up though (unless he's cremated) and leave his remains in the town square for wild dogs to ravage as a lesson to others who may be so inclined.
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In reply to: i'm not sure what my opinion here is. i was away climbing when this whole thing went on. WHERE ARE YOUR PRIORITIES!!!? -Jay
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