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apollodorus
Apr 3, 2002, 12:08 PM
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I like finding info on the web. It's kinda cool.
But a Doctor should have his own book. A single place to find the Answers.
How about a nice, SuperTopo-type thing that we can buy online?
I'm tired of pointing my click again and again and again, chasing leads that sometimes lead to nowhere.
One place to find it.
K?
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crackaddict
Apr 3, 2002, 8:56 PM
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I agree also.
I enjoy reading about the"BETTER WAY"and the endless rants of DR Piton. I find them quite informative and entertaining.
I think you should call the book
"THE BETTER WAY "
Later.
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elcapbuzz
Apr 3, 2002, 9:07 PM
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The book is already out.
Chongo wrote it and PTPP edited it.
MMmmmm. Good idea, but it would take a year to scan all of those pages in. The book is thicker than the Bible.
I like to call it: The Big Wall Bible.
Pete, you should look into this. I will send word to Chongo to get in contact with me.
Cheers, Ammon
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metoliusmunchkin
Apr 3, 2002, 9:12 PM
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If not a book written of the "BETTER WAY" then why not a compilation of Dr. Piton's famous Rants? This would be quite an enjoyable read as well!
Until that time, we just have to keep reading the 'Rockclimbing.com Archives' forum to read those classic, gut wrenching, tear jerking, and just plain FUNNY rants.
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apollodorus
Apr 3, 2002, 9:20 PM
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The Chongo book is either a myth, an apparition, or a phantom. Everybody talks about it, but nobody's ever seen it.
Actually, nobody's ever been able to buy it.
And I think Jim Bakker was able to scan the entire bible onto his website when he wasn't picking up soap in prison.
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radistrad
Apr 3, 2002, 9:37 PM
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I will be in the Valley this weekend, I know Chongo and I will be looking for him. I am going to inquire about his book for someone else. When I get back I will post, in regards to my talk with him. Hopefully we can make Chongo some $$$ and get you guys the goods!
I want to buy the book my self. My partner has the chapter on hauling, amazing stuff, you all have been at RC.com long enough to read the statement always a better way, well Chongo wrote it, ask PTPP, he helped (I dont know PTPP).
Chongo's book is about $90.
Hopefully he will be in his spot at the cafeteria and will be easy to find.
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wallhammer
Apr 4, 2002, 5:42 AM
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ive seen it. its real, make some better connections, and you might see it too!
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elcapbuzz
Apr 4, 2002, 6:34 AM
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Nice one!!! Radistar and Wallhammer.
Yes, Chongo's book exists. He also sells chapters seperately but I wont qoute any prices.
I'm looking at one the early editions now!!
Ammon
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apollodorus
Apr 4, 2002, 8:17 AM
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It's real, huh? Well, I've seen Elvis and am looking at Howard Hughes right now 8-)
Hey, it was a joke. I know the Chongo book is real. I saw the photo of Humar Tomaz getting PTPP's copy from the hand of Chongo himself.
I just think it's kinda funny that an item that is in such demand is unavailable.
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wallhammer
Apr 4, 2002, 3:21 PM
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doh, you get the gold medal for the first one to "get me". i am now writing gumby on my forhead with a majic marker.
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andy_lemon
Apr 4, 2002, 3:43 PM
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No way dude, it should be called "Dr. Piton's book on Getting it"
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addiroids
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I think that a few of our RC.com members may be able to procure some copies of Chongo's book. The best thing would be for Chongo to get a website to sell online. I did obtain a copy and have it in my room. 612 pages of the best aid climbing info available (besides having Ammon guide you) along with some hot pictures of some of the "Girls of Wall Climbing". That's why the manual costs so much. Model's fees, agency fees, and the cost of doing a centerfold layout really jacks up the price. So just be patient people as I'm sure we will have better access to this as time passes.
And Dr. Piton does have a book in the works. It's not called Getting It but Getting Some on the Wall. I'm sure he could mail a few copies to some of you guys.
TRADitionally yours,
Cali Dirtbag
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passthepitonspete
Apr 5, 2002, 10:02 PM
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In my dreams, Paul, in my dreams....
At any rate, the book does indeed exist:
It is The Complete Book of Big Wall Climbing - Volume 1 - The Ground Manual by Chongo
Other [wankers] have called into question the existence of said book.
The proof of its existence (I simply cannot believe I actually had to DO this, fer cryin' out loud!) begins HERE.
If anyone can get ahold of Chongo, then please ask Chongo to give me a call!
There has been SO much interest in his book, I could sell a whole bunch for him.
Cheers,
Pete
Editor of Chuck's Book
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radistrad
Apr 8, 2002, 2:13 PM
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Disapointing!
I looked for Chongo, and could not find him.
I will be back in a few weeks and will look some more.
Last month he was a fixture in the "Caff".
I thought he may have been at the base of El Cap but I did not find him there either.
I'll keep looking.
I want his book for my self, so I have interest in looking. I had cash for him over the weekend. Dont worry, we'll find Chongo, before the season is over.
I was amazed that I did not find him, as I see him often.
Maybe next week. The wife wont let me return this week, after 3 days in the Valley.
The good news for the weekend is a bootied #4 Camalot off of Moby Dick!
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climbchick
Apr 15, 2002, 2:28 PM
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I have a copy of the book right here. Pete's copy, actually (thanks, Pete!) Looks like it's gonna take me about 6 months to read the whole thing, not counting time spent staring at the diagrams. It's BIG.
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radistrad
Apr 15, 2002, 2:39 PM
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dont forget the all of the typing errors.
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sauron
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*cough* Ladies and Gentlemen... *silence ensues*
Pete,
I checked out the picture you have of Chongo's book's registration page (the photo you've linked to).
The Library of Congress Copyright Registration number listed in that picture, is WRONG.
According to the Library of Congress's Copyright Catalog search (http://www.loc.gov/copyright/search/cohm.html) ,
the Copyright Registration number TX 4-583-687 - listed in the picture - does NOT belong to Chongo, nor does it list his book as the material registered under that number.
Please dream up a valid explanation for this, I'm curious, now.
- d.
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climbchick
Apr 15, 2002, 2:54 PM
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Don't bother, Pete -- I've got it. Looks like Chongo made another typo. The correct number is TX-4-583-676 and you can see the full registration here if means that much to you, Sauron:
http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/formprocessor/copyright/locis.pl
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sauron
Apr 15, 2002, 3:13 PM
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I stand corrected.
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radistrad
Apr 15, 2002, 3:16 PM
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Chongo is brilliant, but I dont think he can spell.
His book exists and its the Best book for big wall techniques.
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passthepitonspete
Apr 15, 2002, 3:21 PM
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I gave Chongo all the spelling errors [that I could find!] to fix about a year and a half ago. I do not know whether he actually entered them and fixed them yet! I fricking hope so - I hate spelling errors! You will see from my posts here that I seldom make spelling or grammatical errors - it's sort of a "point of pride" with me.
As for his registration number, I have no clue! The draft copy that I have may contain an old number which has likely been superseded by a new one. I don't know if a person receives a new number every time he registers a new edition of the same book. I've never registered anything myself. Maybe when you register a new copyright the old one is deleted?
I've certainly seen Chongo box up a copy of his book and mail it away for registration, but I have no clue as to the procedure he follows.
The fact, Dominic, that you would write,
Quote:(No, this doesn't mean the book doesn't exist - but it does mean that you've (deliberately) lied in regards to the official-ness of it. (i.e. no true copyright registration, etc.) - d.
and actually put into words that I would deliberately LIE about such a thing speaks volumes about your character.
And before you go off all over the website, Adam, about my inappropriate language in this post, I will tell you that I'm happy to delete the epithets above when Sauron above apologizes for his libelous statement.
And "I stand corrected" does not CUT IT when you publicly accuse someone of LYING.
Cheers,
Pete
As for you, my dear Yvette, there will be a test on Chongo's book. It commences four hundred feet off the deck, and you receive your diploma on the summit about fifteen hundred feet higher.
Study hard, little Climbchick.
And thanks, eh?
This post was edited by Pete to remove epithet after public apology was issued.
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sauron
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Pete,
I was hoping you could come up with something more orignal than "asshole" - it's gotten old, considering the first time I was called that online was at least 10-12 years ago..
Oh well,
- d.
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Uh Pete, you kinda Jumped the Gun there. Don't you think?
Honestly Dom just pointed out the number was wrong...it's not like he hounded you day and night about it. You guys corrcted the number and he accepted your answer graciously. It's not his fault Chongo screwed up.
I guess you just don't "Get It"....
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passthepitonspete
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Yes, Krillen, I do get it.
When I am accused of deliberately lying, I write it as I see it.
Krillen, I believe there to be a substantial difference between an innocent mistake, which is what Chongo made in his apparent typographical error, and Sauron's libelous accusation that I am attempting to mislead the public.
I have asked Sauron publicly to apologize, and I have asked him to do so in a private message.
My Olive Branch offer above remains valid, despite his apparent initial refusal.
I don't want this forum to start looking like the Middle East, but when my character is personally attacked, I feel it's OK to defend myself.
And I would not call that "jumping the gun."
Far from it.
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I'm curious as to why this book is still looks like a typed manuscript and hasn't been picked up by a publisher like Falcon Publishing (new owners Chockstone Press) or something?
No slaggin here, but if this book is as good as everyone says it is, and Iknow that Chongo has a decently respected following, then why not pursue that avenue? Seems like the book would sell, and everyone likes money
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