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iamthewallress
Jun 1, 2004, 10:40 PM
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If the arse blows out of pants (that were specifically marketed as "climbing pants") after about 6 weeks (of arse-dragging up routes and down descents), is it legit to return them to REI for a refund/exchange?
I expect $50 'climbing' pants to last longer, but I also know that put them through their paces.
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leinosaur
Jun 1, 2004, 10:43 PM
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does it list "heavy-duty for arse-dragging" in the description? what makes 'em climbing pants?
if they imply they're good arse-draggers (or moon-resistant, suchlike) I say return away!
your call
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tgreene
Jun 1, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Wouldn't that be like returning used/torn condoms to Trojan..? :shock:
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iamthewallress
Jun 1, 2004, 10:45 PM
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In reply to: Wouldn't that be like returning used condoms to Trojan..? :shock:
Um...No.
It would be more like demanding some kind of restitution from Trojan if the condom didn't hold together during the activity for which it was marketed....only not quite that bad.
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trapdoor
Jun 1, 2004, 10:46 PM
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You could wear a hole in chain mail if you ground it between rock and the weight of your body for six months.
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iamthewallress
Jun 1, 2004, 10:49 PM
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In reply to: You could wear a hole in chain mail if you ground it between rock and the weight of your body for six months.
Six WEEKS though. How often do you buy new climbing pants?
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trapdoor
Jun 1, 2004, 10:53 PM
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Sorry. Six weeks. That doesn't sound like much time. What were they made of?
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slobmonster
Jun 1, 2004, 10:56 PM
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Do you care more about ethics, or more about having pants? Given REI's presumably liberal return policy, fire away, bring 'em back, they'll probably give you a new pair. But note that if they think you're being a wanker you'll go on the LIST of people that abuse the aforementioned liberal return policy.
Someone around here mentioned Dickies pants. They'll probably flatter you quite well, and the polyester blend will keep you cool. But I don't think the local ranch store will take them back once you've blown a hole in them.
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ryanpfleger
Jun 1, 2004, 10:58 PM
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Good question. The answer... maybe. Incidentally, what pants are they? Warn all of us arse-draggers away from them! Personally for serious arse-dragging I sacrifice the mobility and go for heavy pants a la Carhartts or the like. Plus, judging by the amount of people I see wearing them around campus, they must be "in". And really, that is what its all about, right?
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okie_redneck
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This is a great example of why I proudly sport my Spongebob Squarepants pajama bottoms that cost $10 at Wal Mart. When they rip, I'll know why.
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killclimbz
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REI
Return
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Item
Simple enough?
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gds
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In reply to: If the arse blows out of pants (that were specifically marketed as "climbing pants") I expect $50 'climbing' pants to last longer
Sure! Return 'em.
I had it happen, returned them, and got a new pair (BTW the new pair holds up fine) I think that if the pants are marketed as climbing pants then they should hold up to climbing activity. The ones I now have are on year 2 and have been dragged through some awful stuff with minimal wear.
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indigo_nite
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you don't sound like you're going out of your way to take advantage of the return policy.
perhaps in the future though, you might be more suspect about pants that are marketed for climbing. sometimes the material just doesn't seem like it will wear well, regardless of price. maybe you can find lower cost pants of similar material at outlets or general sports stores and can then afford to get multiple pairs. just my 2 cents...
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Jun 1, 2004, 11:35 PM
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What were you doing that you wore out the ass of the pants that fast, huh? :p
Personally all of my climbing clothing (mainly prAna) has lasted me many years of regular abuse and excessive wear and I don't understand how people are blowing out clothing as quickly as they claim.
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Jun 1, 2004, 11:37 PM
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In reply to: Six WEEKS though. How often do you buy new climbing pants?
For all I know, you started that chimneying program you talked about earlier. You could wear 'em out faster then that if you really wanted to,
I'm sure Return Everything Inc would take 'em back, but if you've been scooting yourself up lots of rough rock, you may have gotten your money's worth.
David
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mandrake
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Counterpoint: I dunno, six weeks sounds a little ridiculous, unless you're glissading down granite slabs. I say: take 'em back.
btw, nice title, ya gotta read a thread titled "pant ethics"!
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In reply to: REI Return Every Item Simple enough?
Really
Expensive
Incorporated
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tim
Jun 2, 2004, 1:05 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Wouldn't that be like returning used condoms to Trojan..? :shock: Um...No. It would be more like demanding some kind of restitution from Trojan if the condom didn't hold together during the activity for which it was marketed....only not quite that bad.
I don't see the problem with the above. I wonder if you could send them the kid and have them pay support :lol:
Hell yeah return the pants. I returned a pair of MadRocks that delam'd after 2 months, did I expect a lot for $79, no, but I expected them to be suitable for the purpose they were marketed for (gym climbing)! REI was cool about it.
I still don't quite understand why there is so much animosity towards a co-op that accepts refunds on anything within reason. A friend of mine returned a ROPE to REI. (no, it had not been used -- but how would they verify that?) Try that anywhere else, used or not. REI also seems to treat its employee-bots decently, although I do prefer to buy things I'm certain I will keep, from smaller shops run by actual climbers.
Right, so, that was a pointless digression wasn't it...
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Jun 2, 2004, 1:21 AM
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In reply to: If the arse blows out of pants (that were specifically marketed as "climbing pants") after about 6 weeks (of arse-dragging up routes and down descents), is it legit to return them to REI for a refund/exchange? I expect $50 'climbing' pants to last longer, but I also know that put them through their paces.
Obviously, you are not satisfied. That alone is a reason to return them.
-Jay
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happiegrrrl
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The reason large stores such as REI have liberal return/exchange policies is that, in most cases, they will charge back the wholesale cost to the supplier of the arse-dragged pants. So, they're out only the money they would have made on the sale. It's nearly as if the pants were never sold in the first place. Plus, they've got a happy customer (who will buy more things...) instead of an "I'll never darken the doorway of this retail swill hole again, so long as I live, I swear. AND - I'm tellin' everyone I know, too!" ex-customer.
In the long run, it's not a question of pants ethics; it's a question of personal ethics. You, and you alone, know if the arse blew out prematurely.
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russwalling
Jun 2, 2004, 4:24 AM
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**The reason large stores such as REI have liberal return/exchange policies is that, in most cases, they will charge back the wholesale cost to the supplier of the arse-dragged pants. So, they're out only the money they would have made on the sale. It's nearly as if the pants were never sold in the first place.**
Unless you *are* the supplier, then you take it in the "shorts".
I've been reading about taking back all kinds of stuff to REI over in some of the other forums. Maybe this has something to do with $150 rock shoes... what you are really getting is 3 pairs of $50.00 shoes, but with all the returns you can bet your blown out ass somebody is paying for that. Got a mirror?
Plus Missy, how long did you think silk pants were going to last?
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happiegrrrl
Jun 2, 2004, 12:11 PM
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In reply to: **The reason large stores such as REI have liberal return/exchange policies is that, in most cases, they will charge back the wholesale cost to the supplier of the arse-dragged pants. So, they're out only the money they would have made on the sale. It's nearly as if the pants were never sold in the first place.** Unless you *are* the supplier, then you take it in the "shorts". I've been reading about taking back all kinds of stuff to REI over in some of the other forums. Maybe this has something to do with $150 rock shoes... what you are really getting is 3 pairs of $50.00 shoes, but with all the returns you can bet your blown out ass somebody is paying for that. Got a mirror? Plus Missy, how long did you think silk pants were going to last?
aah....you have stumpled upon one of the great philisophical conundrums of retailing/consumerism......
Surely, in a perfect world, the exchange of goods for tender transacted in good faith, would be useful for the length of their natural lifespan, at which point they might be recycled in another form, such as cleaning rags or some other item.
Alas, this is not always the case. We are a society homogenized in such a way that we purchase rags rather than recognize them when presented to us; nay - created through our own action of arse-dragging.
Some would argue it's the retailers/manufacturers who've lulled us into this nighmareish and never-ending cycle of buying.....
Others would say it's the consumer's demand for fashion at a price that's caused the lowering of quality standards.....
Still others would say the supplier writes the loss off at tax time, and is not out after all.....
This debate, unfortunately, will not be solved on a universal level, simply because all humans have the ability to act with free will......
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Jun 2, 2004, 12:21 PM
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In reply to: This debate, unfortunately, will not be solved on a universal level, simply because all humans have the ability to act with free will......
Don't be so sure. I am controlled, alternately, by my alien brethren and bad belayers.
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I'm so psyched that someone recalls my Dickies suggestion (mine are still holding out well, and seem cool in the hot weather - the true purpose of khaki color), that I will treat you all (again) to one of my favorite pants photos -
bvb in '73
http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=11995http://
dig it y'all
leinosaur
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In reply to: Plus Missy, how long did you think silk pants were going to last?
I'm going to have to side with Russ on this one. "Climbing" pants? Perhaps they meant "sport weanie redpoint slacks." If you want "She-woman chimney dockers" then you need to get something with cordura so thick it feels like canvas AND has extra butt material and knee padding built in. But post up a picture of your blown pants and we can see just how crummy they are.
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