Coylec, I will ask you then, since the others won't answer. What do you want the President to do that will fix those things you say are wrong?

If the middle-class and poor don't like where they are, they can try harder to move to the upper class. I am getting squeezed into the lower part of the middle-class and on my way down but it is by my choice that I don't want to move up. I would have to pick up and move and basically start all over if I promoted and I don't want to do that. It isn't the Prez's fault and there isn't anything he can do that will bump me up to the upper class.


I ask again, how can the President fix this?

You sure take a lot of comfort in "facts". To let them embolden you to the point of condescension is downright ugly and rather revealing of a very rigid mindset. It has been my experience that such rigidity often leads to ever increasing amounts of anger in ones life. Not very healthy.

Your facts may be precise measures, but not very accurate and highly manipulated. They utilize selective sample instances and contrived data relationships. These same sources "tell" us that the cost of living isn't increasing at an alarming rate because I can go buy cheap junk from China at WalMart. But stuff like cams, ropes, services, quality food, gasoline, medicine and medical services continue to rise. In a phrase I think your "facts" represent GIGO.

Cheers,

T

BVB, it's good to have a voice of reason in this thread. Too bad Curt doesn't listen to you more when you guys are out bouldering. I think Curt is on the cusp of change. Maybe when I am down there you and I can show him the way.

Gotta a love a guy like Taorock. When he is presented with facts instead of "go ask an jobless guy" he presumes you must be condescending and therefore angry. Perhaps the level of rhetoric is that by which you measure the various enconomic items


So are they facts and precise measures, or "not very accurate?" Which is it? Selective sample instances and contrived data relationships? Am I supposed to be impressed? I've posted commonly used economic benchmarks, and you cite a list of items that are already included in the data I've posted as some sort of high-minded retort? But then again perhaps you should consider a career in economic forecasting. I can see it now: The "Toarock Cam and Ropes Price Index." :lol: :lol: :lol:

Condescension as in calling people names ("Bobbie Boy").

But stuff like cams, ropes, services, quality food, gasoline, medicine and medical services continue to rise. In a phrase I think your "facts" represent GIGO.

Don't confuse condescension with disdain, and for a world-class example of condescension check out Bobby Boy's post wherein he resorts to touting his climbing skills and accomplishments in the midst of a discussion of politics as a way of adding ballast to his arguments.

I'd like to see national healthcare. That's something that can only happen if the President makes it an issue. that will be a really benefit to those Americans who can't afford health insurance, or work at companies that don't have company policies or are self-employed.

Oh and, Curt, let me add that the above captioned capstone comment in his post does a excellent job of masking that which you say he owns in copious quantity.

You are clearly the one here who doesn't "get it." Taorock is merely pointing out that if you spend a good deal of income on the things he has listed (as a climber might) your personal experience of price increases - or inflation may be sustantially different from a government statistic which is undoubtedly calculated on a different set of expenditures.

Taorock is therefore further correct to state that facts can indeed be facts--and still be totally irrelevant to some individuals.

dano,

You are clearly the one here who doesn't "get it." Taorock is merely pointing out that if you spend a good deal of income on the things he has listed (as a climber might) your personal experience of price increases - or inflation may be sustantially different from a government statistic which is undoubtedly calculated on a different set of expenditures.

Taorock is therefore further correct to state that facts can indeed be facts--and still be totally irrelevant to some individuals.

Curt

Personally, I would like to see tax penalties against companies that outsource skilled positions overseas. I would like to see our balance of trade evened out a bit with our trading partners. I would like to see huge import tariffs levied against countries that steal US technology and ignore patent laws.

I think those things would help our economy and jobs a lot more than a tax cut, but i'm not an economist so I am probably wrong.

I would like to see government employees held to the same standard that private sector employees are. I've done a fair bit of government contracting in the last few years, and I am fairly horrified by the job culture I encounter. The government should not be in the business of providing jobs. I think if we improved the processes and people in government service we could save vast amounts of money spent on government that could be used for tax cuts.

Personally, I would like to see tax penalties against companies that outsource skilled positions overseas. I would like to see our balance of trade evened out a bit with our trading partners. I would like to see huge import tariffs levied against countries that steal US technology and ignore patent laws.

I think those things would help our economy and jobs a lot more than a tax cut, but i'm not an economist so I am probably wrong.