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drbeagle
Sep 3, 2004, 3:48 PM
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What are some standard lengths of webbing loops I should have for top roping (both bolted anchors and natural). My friends have a bunch of random lengths that they've cut for various routes and then kept as their standards.
I was wondering if most people keep 5, 10, and 20s (for example) or if there is no standardization.
Thanks
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basecamp
Sep 3, 2004, 3:55 PM
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It all depends on your local crag... if thats where your climbing... you'll find an average for it. I have the following in my pack for webbing:
4x 5ft sections
2x 10ft sections
1x 15ft section
2x 20ft section
1x 30 ft section
Its quite a bit of webbing, however the 2 crags I climb at out here require it almost because of where we have to place our gear.
Good luck.
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markc
Sep 3, 2004, 4:07 PM
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If there are bolts, I don't use any 1" webbing. Quickdraws or 2' slings are usually sufficient. In my area, most people use trees or other natural anchors. 5 foot lengths aren't going to get you very far. I've generally carried:
1 20' section
1 30' section
1 40' section
I'd occasionally chop ends as needed, but I don't pack anything sub-15'. A long piece of webbing can always be used in a short run, and I hate stringing together short sections of webbing.
YMMV,
mark
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mccarthykm
Sep 3, 2004, 4:11 PM
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My webbing lengths for top roping are:
2 - 30'
2 - 18'
2 - 12'
1 - 6' this one is my sling that's great for when i need just a little more
I tend to use the longer lengths because i'd rather have too much than too little, plus i'm not too concerned about packing in the added weight for top roping. Also if you are going to buy some webbing, don't forget that 20' of webbing is not going to give you a 10' loop. You need to remeber to add a couple of feet to tie the water knot.
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thisguy
Sep 3, 2004, 4:15 PM
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I have the following:
4: 15 ft blue
5: 30 ft red
2: 45 ft black
I think its easy to color code them, so you don't have to pull it out to know the length, you just see the color. Its a lot of webbing, but its always better to have a length with extra, than have a run were you really need another foot. Also, if you add all that up, it comes to 300 ft, so you could just buy one 300' roll and be done with it.
If your looking for good prices check here:
http://www.northernmountain.com/NMSMain.asp?Option=Detail&ID=STEROP+1+inch+Tubular+Webbing&Dept=CL&Cat=CL3&SubCat='CL33'
$.21/ft for red, $.24/ft for purple, $.25/ft for black. Not sure why they have different prices for the colors, but its good webbing.
Guy
Edit: I see you are in Chicago for school, which is close to Devils Lake in Wisconsin. If you want to setup TRs there, I've been told you need that much webbing.
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tchamber
Sep 3, 2004, 4:57 PM
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4 ft sewn runners are probably best (in my opinion) for setting up TRs off of bolts. I like not having the knot to worry about (still watch placement of the seam), and the 4' runners give you a better angle off the anchors than 2' runners or QDs. If you set up the runners as a sliding equalized anchor, then you can sometimes cover multiple climbs off the same set of anchors as well.
The only reason you would need other webbing would be for slinging trees, boulders, chickenheads, yo mama, etc... I have 2 8' loops (16' of webbing tied), that work okay for this purpose, although I have had to girth hitch them together to get around a few boulders. It's easier (and more expensive) to just place pro a lot of times.
If you are really interested in longer lengths, I believe there was a post where somebody mentioned standardized lengths and colors for SAR. I'd try to find the thread for it, but that would be taking all the fun out of it for you now, wouldn't it?
Don't forget to use lockers in your anchors...
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rcaret
Sep 3, 2004, 5:05 PM
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For my top roping ,
2 @ 10 feet
2 @ 30 feet
2 @ 60 feet
4 @ 5 feet
4 @ 15 feet
The above webbing has allways done what I've needed to do for any top rope set up no matter the Crag .
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korporal
Sep 3, 2004, 5:47 PM
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I have three 25' sections that I use when top roping. Where I climb the trees at the top aren't too far away and are bomber so slinging any more than two is overkill.
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davidio
Sep 3, 2004, 5:57 PM
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Do you folks ever use all of those pieces of webbing at once? I'm curious as to how having multiple smaller pieces helps out. I've always been taught to use as little as possible (but still build a bomber anchor, of course!!), to maximize effeciency and safety.
I used three pieces, one about 25', one 30' and one 50', for quite some time, and never really had any more needs for setting up a single top-rope. If i found i needed way less length, i could just fold one in half and make the anchor more redundant, or leave a pretty coil next to my anchor piece. Having the pieces different colors helps out a bunch when you're on the edge of a climb, or digging in your pack. I have since switced over to a length of static line (about 80'), i find it much easier to work with, and quite a bit more durable, although a bit more expensive.
I also learned how to climb at Devil's Lake, but quickly moved away from DePaul and Chicago when i figured out that the mountains were more important to me than music school. Where do you go to school, drbeagle?
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sarcat
Sep 3, 2004, 6:28 PM
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There is a standard put out in the NFPA for lengths and colors. They are:
Green - 5'
Yellow - 12'
Blue - 15'
Red - 20' (or orange)
Black - 25'
Purple - 35'
It's what all the SAR and Rescue groups are moving to. You may not want/need all the lengths of course.
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thewyseclimber
Sep 3, 2004, 6:45 PM
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I don't really see a need for numerous smaller lengths. As long as you have a few long pieces, like maybe 40-60 feet, you can adjust them to fit any shorter length required. It's sort of a pain to shorten and equalize a couple real long pieces of webbing, but you can use them for anything, and even equalize a couple anchors off one piece of webbing. Seems like a lot of shorter pieces would just be extra clutter.
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drbeagle
Sep 3, 2004, 10:48 PM
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I go to Northwestern in Evanston. Our outing club tried to get up to devils lake last april or may but we got rained out. oh well, maybe this year. not climbing for 9 months sucked so much. i'm gonna make an effort to hit up some of the local gyms this year. (i don't have a car though, so its hard)
thanks for the info on the webbing.
david
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drbeagle
Sep 3, 2004, 10:50 PM
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are those lenghts you all are quoting untied, circumfrance, diameter, or half circumfrance.
thanks,
david
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thewyseclimber
Sep 3, 2004, 11:21 PM
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I would imagine what everybody is saying is full length. I said 40-60 feet, meaning 18-28 feet when water-knotted. But you could probably assume that everybody is referring to the full length of their pieces, untied.
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drbeagle
Sep 3, 2004, 11:22 PM
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awesome, that's what i was figuring
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totigers
Sep 3, 2004, 11:25 PM
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I also color code and have
4 10'
2 15'
2 20'
2 25'
And the length is straight from tip to tip. I also have 2 Real long ones. I think they are closer to 50' if I remember right.
But everything is fragged right now. I need to buy some new ones.
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korporal
Sep 4, 2004, 12:22 AM
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I was refering to the length when it is unlooped.
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chrisparedes
Sep 4, 2004, 12:34 AM
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I think 5 ft pieces are worthless. I wouldn't want anything less that 20 ft. you can always wrap a piece around a tree trunk a couple of times, no big deal if you have "too much." I usually have 2, 20 ft pieces tied into slings; those work well. A couple of quickdraws too would be good.
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dutyje
Sep 4, 2004, 1:40 AM
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In reply to: There is a standard put out in the NFPA for lengths and colors. They are: Green - 5' Yellow - 12' Blue - 15' Red - 20' (or orange) Black - 25' Purple - 35' It's what all the SAR and Rescue groups are moving to. You may not want/need all the lengths of course.
rats.. I thought I "invented" a nice color-coding scheme for the webbing that my partner and I use. Incidentally, I like mine better because it's easier to remember the relative lenghts of the pieces.
Red = 40 ft
Orange = 32 ft
Yellow = 25 ft
Green = 18 ft
Blue = 12 ft
Purple = 8 ft
I have to echo what someone else said that 5' seems a bit short to be at all useful. Just get some shoulder-length slings or quickdraws.
No, I don't take all the webbing out at one time, I'll guage based on guide book info or my own experience. If I'm returning to a particular area, I know exactly what I need. I would have to say that the most-used pieces are the 18-32 ft pieces.
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sarcat
Sep 7, 2004, 2:15 PM
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In reply to: rats.. I thought I "invented" a nice color-coding scheme . . . . . .
Don't know where the NFPA people got these colors officially but something simmilar has been published in resuce books for some time. No need to follow them unless you have to be NFPA compliant.
Side note: Most climber/mountaineers/resuce people have commented on the 5' pieces as "worthless" As I would agree, most who do urban rescue would not. Try managing a 12' or 20' wrap-3-pull-2 anchor on a rail or banister in limited space.
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nurocks
Sep 7, 2004, 2:54 PM
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not necessarily(sp?)
some people just tie double overhands on bights at the ends of thier webbing. You get more length out of a piece that way.
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