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colkurtz
Sep 30, 2004, 12:40 AM
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would everyone please stop posting the 'dead horse - do a search' posts? these posts are themselves are beating a dead horse. do a community service and provide the link for the naive poster. the search function does not work. plain and simple
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caughtinside
Sep 30, 2004, 12:44 AM
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Please do a search. These threads asking people to not tell folks to do a search have been done to death.
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jumpingrock
Sep 30, 2004, 12:44 AM
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Yes but if somebody always gives you something will you ever learn how to do it yourself? (My prediction: Off to community)
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colkurtz
Sep 30, 2004, 12:48 AM
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The search function DOES NOT WORK. prove that it does in fact work and everyone will stop posting these threads
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jumpingrock
Sep 30, 2004, 12:51 AM
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In reply to: The search function DOES NOT WORK. prove that it does in fact work and everyone will stop posting these threads HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!! The search function does not work. You are right. But the search function has worked in the past and in the past people still posted threads that they could have found with a simple forum search. So you are correct now. It is a travesty and I as one of the guilty party feel terrible. However, if the thread has already been posted and I know that the search function doesn't work why would I try to search and post the thread? In fact, why would I search anyway even if it did work? I am bloody lazy man.
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jt512
Sep 30, 2004, 12:53 AM
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In reply to: The search function DOES NOT WORK. prove that it does in fact work and everyone will stop posting these threads The forums search does not work, but the Quick Search box in the upper right corner of the window does. A quick search for "dynamic belay," for instance, returns 30 matches dating back to 2001. -Jay
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coylec
Sep 30, 2004, 12:53 AM
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Hey colkurtz ... seems like you've woken up on the wrong side of the bed every morning since you joined up here. While I'm sure your post is well intentioned, it comes across as harsh and abrasive, especially in light of your previous posts. 'sides, its not like those people are going to listen. It's been addressed in a bunch of other threads. Lighten up, buddy and smile :D coylec
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colkurtz
Sep 30, 2004, 12:58 AM
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you see i find it irritation that when the search doesnt work that people continue to get their rocks off by trying to nip a thread in the bud by saying do a search. it takes a big man with a lot of posts to make some one fel stupid. and then even more stupid because he can't figure ot how to use the useless search function. every once in a while this site gets good. and then people start to get crabby. digress into emotional debates citing family god and country. and try to shut people down
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colkurtz
Sep 30, 2004, 1:01 AM
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i love portland. was there last month. i smile. there was once a thread sharing with a kid how to live the life on a low budget and climb. real good stuff. made me think hey, some climbiers are good people. made me want to join the site. and then i spend hours wading through urine to find some uplifting threads
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cjcalls
Sep 30, 2004, 1:02 AM
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Could someone please help me find the other threads about searching? :wink:
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tyify
Sep 30, 2004, 1:02 AM
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I personally think your the one being crabby...however nevertheless the Quick Search in the upper right hand corner DOES work! Thats what people are referring to as the seach for the time being...
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jt512
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In reply to: Could someone please help me find the other threads about searching? :wink: No! Do a quick search for "quick search." -Jay
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colkurtz
Sep 30, 2004, 1:12 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: The search function DOES NOT WORK. prove that it does in fact work and everyone will stop posting these threads The forums search does not work, but the Quick Search box in the upper right corner of the window does. A quick search for "dynamic belay," for instance, returns 30 matches dating back to 2001. -Jay ehh....my search for "EDK" did not work out well. side note. if i am looking through the RGOLD faq and want to find the thread it came from....how does a fool like me do that?
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tyify
Sep 30, 2004, 1:15 AM
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Go to Find People. Type in Rgold under username. Click on "Find all posts by rgold". And viola there they are!
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tim
Sep 30, 2004, 1:18 AM
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In reply to: every once in a while this site gets good. and then people start to get crabby. digress into emotional debates citing family god and country. and try to shut people down This site is free. Sometimes you get what you pay for (the forums search). Sometimes you get more. That's really all there is to it. I work on the site in between my job and my classes. On weekends, I go climbing. This doesn't lead to a blistering pace of development, I'm afraid. For what it's worth, I have search working for the full-blown search-everything-on-the-site case, but it's slow in some cases -- if you hit a bad query, it can take up to 5 minutes to return (on my laptop -- the worst case is probably a lot less extreme on the production site). I'm trying to tune it up to the point where it's decent, and I'll cut it loose at that point. If you look at other phpBB-based boards, you'll notice that they don't bother with relevance-based search *at all*. Historically, we used the default phpBB search, and people complained bitterly about it (it returns useless results very quickly). I rewrote the thing so that it returns results based on their textual relevance, but it has taken quite some time to make it reasonably fast. I'm hoping the final product will be worth the trouble, but we'll find out shortly, I guess. In any event, I got to write the thing from scratch; apparently no one else has bothered to implement relevance-based searching for phpBB (this was fairly surprising to me). For the past month or so we've been in transition -- there was a relevance-based version of search running from 'quick search', but people (correctly) pointed out that the general case did not work. The phpBB 'advanced' search actually is a little bit complicated to tune. But of course the results are better. It has taken much longer to tune that.
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dingus
Sep 30, 2004, 1:19 AM
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Variation of the old 'put em in a round room and tell em to sit in the corner.' Pavlov is a programmer here. DMT
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jt512
Sep 30, 2004, 1:20 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: The search function DOES NOT WORK. prove that it does in fact work and everyone will stop posting these threads The forums search does not work, but the Quick Search box in the upper right corner of the window does. A quick search for "dynamic belay," for instance, returns 30 matches dating back to 2001. -Jay ehh....my search for "EDK" did not work out well. side note. if i am looking through the RGOLD faq and want to find the thread it came from....how does a fool like me do that? I don't know the details of how the Quick Search works. Playing around with it, it seems to treat whatever you type in as a single phrase. So, to find the thread from which a specific post came, you might try copying a phrase from the post and pasting it into the quick search box. -Jay
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colkurtz
Sep 30, 2004, 1:34 AM
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this didnt start out as a tim bash. tim does a great job but i can't take a quote from a thread then put it into quicksearch and find it. it may get it by chance association with the words chosen and the way the search works. in the final analysis my point was too harsh for some ears. but the jist is this: telling new people to use a truncated search engine in a way that makes them look bad for posting is bad form IMO. i'd like to see a sight with mentoring behaviour rather than being the first to make a wise ass comment. that being said ....i hate some of you
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leinosaur
Sep 30, 2004, 2:44 AM
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Proof of the inutility of "do a search" response lies in its prolongation of the "life" of the underlying, apparently offensive thread. The "do a search" author proposes to save others the trouble of reading such a post, by bumping it to the top of the list, only now with a snippity bit of pedantic drivel tacked on the end of it. Counterproductive! If a poster has taken the time to find some other, more informative friends, and explain a bit how it's done, then in my eyes they've earned chiding-rights. However, as 'tis said, sugar draws more flies than vinegar. When you're coaching someone at the crag, do you whinge that they're doing it wrong, or show them how to do it right? My favorite coaches do the latter. Pax vobiscum, y'all! leinosaur
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reno
Sep 30, 2004, 2:59 AM
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Mr. colkurtz: Greetings. A moment to introduce myself, if I may. Name's Jeff, but everyone around here calls me "Reno." It's a nickname I've had for years, and it's a long story about how I got it. I'm a climber (sport, trad, alpine, ice,) and the moderator for Injuries/Accidents forum. Been on RC.com for a while now, and have seen many things come full circle. Some have come full circle, back a few times, and are well into their 4th or 5th iteration. So... that's me. Now you know who I am. Telling folks "Do a search" is, most everyone would agree, a reasonable suggestion. Many topics have been covered at least once. Some twice. Some more. Things like "What are the best shoes for edging?" "What size cord to use for a cordlette?" etc. have all been discussed at length. Granted, the "Search" function does not work as well as we'd like. Tim, the primary website code guy for RC.com, is working on it. He's been working on it for a while, trying to get it "dialed in," so to speak. However, that does not stop one from "searching" the forums for answers. Click the Forums tab at the top, click the appropriate forum (Gear, Sport, Alpine, Training, etc.) and look at the bottom-right. See the numbers? Those are page numbers. Scroll down, looking for thread titles that match what you are looking for: Cordlette, Belay Device, Gri-Gri, etc. This does several beneficial things:
[*:1817ae5b7c] You learn to navigate through the many layers of RC.com [*:1817ae5b7c] You can rapidly waste an entire day, putting off your chores, and never leaving your seat. [*:1817ae5b7c] You find the information you were looking for, without tying up more bandwidth (don't know if you've ever owned/administrated a website, but all that server space costs money...)
It's really not difficult, and in the end, you'll be better off than someone who didn't go in search of the information they needed. That is why people often say "Did you search the forums?" when people ask questions. Chances are we've discussed it before.
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wonderwoman
Sep 30, 2004, 3:01 AM
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In reply to: When you're coaching someone at the crag, do you whinge that they're doing it wrong, or show them how to do it right? That's funny that you bring that up. Blueeyedclimber and I were climbing this weekend and he said to me 'How come climbers are so nice in person, but can be so mean online?' Oh oh! Has this subject already been talked about? Maybe I should just do a search for mean climbers!
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leinosaur
Sep 30, 2004, 3:27 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: When you're coaching someone at the crag, do you whinge that they're doing it wrong, or show them how to do it right? That's funny that you bring that up. Blueeyedclimber and I were climbing this weekend and he said to me 'How come climbers are so nice in person, but can be so mean online?' Exactly: you don't hear that stuff at the crag, eh? I've heard the excuse that .commers gritch 'cause they're out of their element (i.e. the crag) but if that's so maybe they shouldn't be so protective of less-comfortable cyperspace a link to reno's post, or maybe a quote from it, with the explanation "Here's how to search the forums," would be more helpful, at least. anti-redundance activists might do well to keep such links handy leinosaur
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tim
Sep 30, 2004, 3:28 AM
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the site nav sucks. no, really. it sucks in many respects. while people would do well to learn how to use it, the site would also be more useful as a resource if it were more intuitive. The best designs don't take any learning. You show up at Google the first time, you type some text in the box, and it (usually) gives you what you want. That's kind of the Platonic ideal of an interface. If'n we could get to that point, I'd become a lot more comfortable with the 'do a search' comments, since at that point they would have dwindled to people who were trolling and really deserved it. eg. why shouldn't the site take you to a relevant description of what you use a cordalette for, when you type that? No search, just answer. I'm hoping we'll get there pretty soon. Suggestions welcome.
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wonderwoman
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Yes, but if you search for 'do a search' you come up with 16 pages of threads. If you do a search for 'mean climbers', zero threads. If you do a search for 'catty climbers', you end up in the Ladies Room? Very strange...
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