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drumnaaron
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curt
Oct 12, 2004, 4:31 AM
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In reply to: Alot of people on this site talk bad about back-clipping. What is back-clipping and how do I avoid it?
Its a sportard thing. Climb trad and you won't have to worry about it.
Curt
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drumnaaron
Oct 12, 2004, 4:42 AM
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Hey thanks for nothing Curt. I might be somewhat new to this, but I do agree with the mass quanties of climbers who say that prejudice and cocky attitudes are greatly unwanted. If your busy talking shit about other styles then you've already lost the picture. Good luck finding it. Personnally, I'll continue to try any sport that comes my way.
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youngphil
Oct 12, 2004, 4:59 AM
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Backclipping can happen when you are on lead climbing up a wall. If you are sport climbing it happens when you have placed the quickdraw in the bolt and are clipping your rope into the other end of the draw. as you clip you want to put the rope in in a certain way. the end that goes down to your belayer should be the part touching the rock...the part that goes to you should be comming from the wall out through the draw and to you. The reason it is so bad if you back clip(do it backwards) is because if you fall it has the possiabality of unclipping itself as you fall. this is kind of a hard thing to explain without having a quick draw and being able to show you personally but i hope this will help a little, or at least get you on the right track. Sorry some people dont want to take the time to explain this to you.
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fixednut
Oct 12, 2004, 5:02 AM
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In reply to: Its a sportard thing.
Hey! Names like that can be really hurtful. They like to be called "sport-intelectually disabled".
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curt
Oct 12, 2004, 5:08 AM
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In reply to: Hey thanks for nothing Curt. I might be somewhat new to this, but I do agree with the mass quanties of climbers who say that prejudice and cocky attitudes are greatly unwanted.
You are not only "somewhat new to this" you are a totally clueless gumby. I gave you the right answer. Backclipping does not apply to trad climbing--only sport climbing. Why? Because clipping into rigid bolts is different than clipping into a flexible wired cam or stopper, as far as levering the gate of a carabiner open is concerned. The fact that you don't even know what back clipping is speaks volumes about your ignorance.
In reply to: If your busy talking s--- about other styles then you've already lost the picture. Good luck finding it. Personnally, I'll continue to try any sport that comes my way.
Hopefully you will not kill yourself or someone else while doing that. However, since you seem to enjoy being in the dark, I have my doubts.
Curt
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kobaz
Oct 12, 2004, 5:26 AM
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In reply to: Personnally, I'll continue to try any sport that comes my way.
Woah, slow down there. Thats the perfect attitude to have if you want to kill yourself. Here is one of the many explanations of back clipping:
http://www.abc-of-rockclimbing.com/howto/backclipping.asp
The best thing to do to keep your ass out of the hospital is to learn as much as you can about what you are going to be climbing before you do it. Even though sport climbing is being marketed now as being almost idiot proof by some people, there is still no exception to learning about it before doing it.
Find yourself someone who knows what they are doing (eg: a professional guide) to give you an introduction to sport climbing. A messageboard is no substitute for learning first hand.
Curt: sportard, haha. Never heard that one before.
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holdplease2
Oct 12, 2004, 6:10 AM
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Curt, why be so...curt? ;)
I once saw a dude single-biner clip every bolt on an aid climb (not uncommon)...but every single one was back clipped. Impressive.
-Kate.
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drumnaaron
Oct 12, 2004, 6:34 AM
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Curt, no shit ya dick. I know it has to do with sport - I didn't ask that. And your comment about me enjoying to be in the dark goes without saying to be your dumbest fucking comment because if I didn't care and "enjoyed being in the dark" I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED IN THE BEGINNER SECTION YA DICK!
Say what you want to curt, I'm done with you and I won't repond to your arrogance again.
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curt
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In reply to: Curt, no s--- ya dick. I know it has to do with sport - I didn't ask that. And your comment about me enjoying to be in the dark goes without saying to be your dumbest f---ing comment because if I didn't care and "enjoyed being in the dark" I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED IN THE BEGINNER SECTION YA DICK!
Maybe someday you will actually not sound like a total dumbsh!t too. And, yes, all of your questions do belong in the beginner forum because we do not yet have a retard forum.
Curt
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drumnaaron
Oct 12, 2004, 6:52 AM
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You must smell real bad huh? Dial is good.
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curt
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In reply to: Say what you want to curt, I'm done with you and I won't repond to your arrogance again.
You are contradicting yourself, lightweight.
Curt
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blouderk2
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you guys are both funny :) :) :)
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drumnaaron
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Hey tubby, this happens to be quite fun for me since how I'm in Kuwait awaiting my flight to Iraq tonight. We can play this game all day.
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jomal
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What a weird subject to get worked up about. For the record though Curt, saying, "it's a sportard thing" doesn't really answer the question. The only way it could is if you already knew the answer...
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viciado
Oct 12, 2004, 11:26 AM
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http://www.rockclimbing.com/...tPhoto&PhotoID=39937
Okay, I'll bite... and probably regret it. From the photo above (from his own profile), I think you can see that drumnaaron has not backclipped, however I wonder about the position of the rope and his body... any observations?
Curt, while in practical terms I agree that back-clipping is a concern that generally applies only to sport, I would think that a trad climber would also give some attention to this detail. I personally don't want anything to prejudice a sketchy placement on a hard section (which would mean a quick placement in my case). I don't like the way the rope can twist on even a long sling and additionally think that it is best practice to clip "properly" so as to avoid error in the face of terror. If I'm wrong, Flame On.
PS - if the photo does not appear, just go to drumnaaron's profile... I haven't been able to see in the thread yet.
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billydude
Oct 12, 2004, 12:43 PM
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im just curious to what going off to iraq has to do with sport climbing. just wondering
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gneiss
Oct 12, 2004, 1:41 PM
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Wow curt.... you practicing to be the lox of rc.com or something?
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marshall84
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olejeff
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Rope up the rock, clipped out to you==good clip...Rope clipped from you in toward the rock and up==back clip...sport or trad.
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j_ung
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This should in no way be taken to mean that I am joining this train wreck of a thread, but someone mentioned a certain profile pic, so out of curiosity I took a look...
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=39937
What the hell are you doing with that rope?!
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glowering
Oct 12, 2004, 3:43 PM
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Curt,
For someone to display such an attitude you should at least know what you are talking about instead of giving out dangerous mistruths.
Say you are 20 feet up a vertical splitter and you are using cams with just the attached slings and you backclip the 2nd cam. Then you fall and the rope unclips and you deck. Tell the EMTs "hey that couldn't happen, I'm a cool trad guy, not a sportard"
Not to mention back clipping is going to cause more rope movement to be transfered to your pro possibly dislodging it.
Stick to bouldering and spraying.
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robmcc
Oct 12, 2004, 3:51 PM
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In reply to: Personnally, I'll continue to try any sport that comes my way.
"Sport climbing is neither."
- Somebody
Rob
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dirtineye
Oct 12, 2004, 4:03 PM
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Curt, I am sad to say that the advent of the sport 'dogbone' class of quick draw has allowed inept and evne some pretty decent trad climbers to suffer the same back clipping mishaps as the 'climbers' formerly known as Sportards.
Now if by trad climbers/ing you were implying at least a 1 or 2 foot flexible sling on all pro, or at least the good sense to double and oppose biners on a critical short clipped piece, then yeah you're right.
But, Many trad climbers today seem to think life is not an adventure without a lot of rope drag and pieces walking or lifting, and they clip very short, with dogbones or even directly to the piece. Some of them don't even have to back clip but instead pull their gear and hit the ground.
I fear this 'modern' version of the trad climber learned to sport climb first. Nuff said.
Anyway, Onsight Top Roping is the wave of the future.
And to the original poster, if you bought any biners, there was probably a little picture (!) on that little piece of paper you threw away (!) that has a picture of back clipping with a big "X" (for "DON'T DO THIS!) by it.
Don't feel bad though, that little picture and it's cryptic meaning has escaped the notice of MANY, LOL.
Oh, Curt, have you and JT been drinking the same water or something?
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