I agree w/ arrettinator, and I also felt that the crack geared towards CBS was a low blow that was entirely out of line. :?

That said, Kerry made a flip~flop of insurmountable proportions tonight, and it's gonna cost him in a huge way!

On the issue of gay marraige (aside from dragging Cheney's daughter into it), he mentioned that he would never do anything to alter or violate the Constitution... not the 1st Amendment, nor the 5th Amendment. Later on, when asked about the sunsetting of the weapons ban (a misnomer btw), he claimed that he is a hunter, but also stated emphatically that NOBODY needed to have an AK47 (buzz word)... So while saying he supports the Constitution wholey as it is, and wouldn't change a thing, he later said he supported the raping of the 2nd Amendment and completey supports the weapons ban as enacted in 94!

If you're a firearms owner, take note that Kerry has every intention of once again stripping away your rights that were just restored, after being unconstitutionally stripped away 10 years ago by the last democratic administration!!!! :evil:

Also keep in mind, that Kerry is one of the leading supporters of the Feinstein bill on a Federal level. An identical version of this particular bill, has completely outlawed many weapons types in California, and is the most restrictive gun bill ever to be written.

I'm always impressed at how well talks out of both sides of his mouth.

"I'm a Catholic, but I'm in favor of allowing abortions. Even as Pesident of the United States, it's none of my business. :wink:

"I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, but I'll go on and o, insinuating that I'm for gay marriage. :wink:

BTW, Kerry solidified his reputation as a waffler tonight. He was downright embarassing!

1) Banning something that is specifically allowed under the Constitution, is a direct violation of it, and the 2nd isn't about hunting!

2) Violation = Rape

3) I'm against ANYONE making changes to the Constitution, and when Bush sought to do so, I began to consider 3rd party candidates.

There are numerous sites on the web that rank the conservative/liberal leaning of Senators, based solely on their voting records. The ones I've seen put Kerry and Edwards waaaaay over on the left.

Actions speak louder than words, but apparently his words (during this campaign season) have convinced you that he's not the ultra-liberal that his voting record indicates.

Or, maybe I'm just more liberal than I think I am. :roll:

Ryan,
I am your father. Come over to the dark side.

Please explain where in the 2nd it specifically states the type of firearms allowed.

If you could only own a musket, you still have all the rights afforded to you by the 2nd.

I'm always impressed at how well talks out of both sides of his mouth.

"I'm a Catholic, but I'm in favor of allowing abortions. Even as President of the United States, it's none of my business. :wink:

"I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, but I'll go on and o, insinuating that I'm for gay marriage. :wink:

That is quite possibly, the most asinine thing I have ever seen you write! :wtf:

50% of Catholics in America are pro-choice, if not more.

That is quite possibly, the most asinine thing I have ever seen you write! :wtf:

Imagine if tomorrow; a law were passed that made it illegal to climb on any public lands, to own any trad gear, and the production of new caribiners and ropes was specifically outlawed... Also consider that attempted smuggling of gear from outside the US could be met with severe criminal penalties of up to 25 years in prison.

Now imagine that a bill to further ban "grandfathered" climbing gear was quietly allowed to slip through and become law. A law which makes you a felon by not turning in all of your hard earned gear by a certain date. This new law is aimed at disallowing anyone from climbing, and in doing so, turns millions of climbers of all types into instant felons overnight! This is exactly what the Feinstein bill has already done to firearms owners in California, and an even broader bill is currently sitting in Washington, and it's a bill in which Kerry strongly supports!

Treesail: You obviously don't know anything about me or my background, so we'll simply leave it at that! :roll:

I would however suggest a few of you educate yourselves by actually READING the 2nd Amendment sometime... :idea:

OK, I'll play along. Imagine if there was a sudden rise in hate crimes with climbing ropes becoming the noose of choice, a plethera of armed roberries where people were killed with a rack of nuts, children who accidentally cammed themselves to death because their father forgot to lock his rack up, private armies and terrorist groups all over the world arming themselves with black market belay devices, now considered the worlds #1 WMD.

I would support your imaginary law, if it would save lives.

Gimme a break!

OK, I'll play along. Imagine if there was a sudden rise in hate crimes with climbing ropes becoming the noose of choice, a plethera of armed roberries where people were killed with a rack of nuts, children who accidentally cammed themselves to death because their father forgot to lock his rack up, private armies and terrorist groups all over the world arming themselves with black market belay devices, now considered the worlds #1 WMD.

I would support your imaginary law, if it would save lives.

Gimme a break!