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vertical_reality
Nov 4, 2004, 6:52 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: And you're an asshole all of the time. Smart and witty.
No wit needed, just telling it like it is.
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tgreene
Nov 4, 2004, 6:56 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. There is some of this to a degree, it all depends on your personal perspective.
Besides, then 2 issues you specifically brought up (gay Marriage and Abortion), are the 2 issues that I personally lean strongly to the left on. While I despise abortion as a form of "birth control", I do feel that it must remain legal, due to cases of rape, incest and medical issues. If outlawed, it would be illegal under all circumstances, and NEITHER party would ever allow that to happen. Regardless of the fact that the gay marriage has been taken to a public ballot in 11 states, I still feel that it should be 100% legal everywhere, and that divorce should be the issue that is put to the test, rather than running rampant!
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curt
Nov 4, 2004, 6:58 PM
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In reply to: Curt wrote: "Get over it. life goes on" What kind of apathetic citizen are you friend? How about doing something about it. Which includes talking about it. Ranting is OK when it comes to this in my opinion, I'm pissed off and I'm gonna let people know about it. DEAL WITH ME BUD!
What exactly would you like me to do? Whining on the internet is certainly not going to change anything. You picked a good screen name for yourself, numbnut. :roll:
Curt
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bumblie
Nov 4, 2004, 7:02 PM
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In reply to: And you're an asshole all of the time.
In reply to: In reply to: Yeah, congrats to Bush and company. I didn't want him to win but I knew he would. Here's the only post consistent with the thread title. Well said VR :wink: |
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vertical_reality
Nov 4, 2004, 7:07 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: And you're an asshole all of the time. Should I delete the following post? In reply to: In reply to: Yeah, congrats to Bush and company. I didn't want him to win but I knew he would. Here's the only post consistent with the thread title. Well said VR :wink:
You're right, let me rephrase that... you're an asshole 99% of the time.
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bumblie
Nov 4, 2004, 7:36 PM
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That's just your opinion. However, your posts on this site prove that you're an idiot pretty much all of the time.
Luv ya.
Mean it. :wink:
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joeschmoe
Nov 4, 2004, 8:02 PM
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Try wanna be theocratic leader, no where near fascist though.
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theflyingsquirrel
Nov 4, 2004, 10:34 PM
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i think abortion is just wrong its murder. i mean think about most of your are in your 30's some in your 20's or 40's but if your mothers' would of had the choice to abort you some of you might not be here today ,and don't you think that because you were given a chance at life that someone shouldn't be given that same chance. no matter what way they were concived
what about the baby's choice... im sure it would choose to live than die. wouldn't you?
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petsfed
Nov 4, 2004, 11:11 PM
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In reply to: i think abortion is just wrong its murder. i mean think about most of your are in your 30's some in your 20's or 40's but if your mothers' would of had the choice to abort you some of you might not be here today ,and don't you think that because you were given a chance at life that someone shouldn't be given that same chance. no matter what way they were concived what about the baby's choice... im sure it would choose to live than die. wouldn't you?
Read Hills Like White Elephants by Hemingway sometime. It was first published in 1927. The process of abortion has been around for a long time. In no way was it not a choice to any of the mothers of those here now.
Conversely, your last point suggests that you support suicide (retroactive abortion) for those who really do deem their lives unworthy of the living. Afterall, if you were a horribly inbred and/or the product of a rape on a woman particularly ill-suited to rearing children, would you really want to keep living that much? And do not (please) throw God or family or what have you into your response on that, the smart money says that such a child knows neither.
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joeschmoe
Nov 4, 2004, 11:15 PM
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In reply to: i think abortion is just wrong its murder. i mean think about most of your are in your 30's some in your 20's or 40's but if your mothers' would of had the choice to abort you some of you might not be here today ,and don't you think that because you were given a chance at life that someone shouldn't be given that same chance. no matter what way they were concived what about the baby's choice... im sure it would choose to live than die. wouldn't you?
mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mūrdr)
n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
There's the problem, an embryo is not considered a human being, therefore its not murder until after the 8th week and it atleast remotely resembles a human being. so if you want to play the murder card atleast understand what murder is. secondly my mother had the choice and she made a decision not to and instead to consider adoption. In order to deal the depression associated with it she drank in excess and smoked alot of weed. luckily i'm not that screwed up, but think about the situations other people endure before you peddle the conservative religious murder card.
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curt
Nov 4, 2004, 11:41 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: i think abortion is just wrong its murder. i mean think about most of your are in your 30's some in your 20's or 40's but if your mothers' would of had the choice to abort you some of you might not be here today ,and don't you think that because you were given a chance at life that someone shouldn't be given that same chance. no matter what way they were concived what about the baby's choice... im sure it would choose to live than die. wouldn't you? mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mūrdr) n. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. There's the problem, an embryo is not considered a human being, therefore its not murder until after the 8th week and it atleast remotely resembles a human being. so if you want to play the murder card atleast understand what murder is.
Another brilliant legal scholar among us. If you think the simple dictionary definition of murder is the actual legal definition, I have some bad news for you.
Curt
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joeschmoe
Nov 5, 2004, 12:11 AM
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of course its not the legal definition and we should be somewhat glad webster isn't in charge of law. legal scholar, hell no too boring. but anyway my point is that i'm sick of people throwing the murder card with abortion when clearly within the first 8 weeks an abortion is simply a parasite flush. The majority of current arguments that seek to deny all abortions are based on religious concepts and last time i check this is a democracy not a theocracy.
as an aside I personally disagree with abortion, but until a scientific definition is conjured up that defines an embryo as being a human being the right choose should be just that.
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numbnut
Nov 5, 2004, 12:34 AM
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Glad I started some kind of discussion. Curt thanks for your condescension. I really took it to heart pal. :lol:
I just can't help venting my gut reactions to this president and frankly the feeling of a lot of people in this country, it's more backwards than I thought. Am I an elitist? Damn straight.
I VENT THERFORE I AM
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rustybolts
Nov 5, 2004, 1:43 AM
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In reply to: i think abortion is just wrong its murder. i mean think about most of your are in your 30's some in your 20's or 40's but if your mothers' would of had the choice to abort you some of you might not be here today ,and don't you think that because you were given a chance at life that someone shouldn't be given that same chance. no matter what way they were concived what about the baby's choice... im sure it would choose to live than die. wouldn't you?
Flyingsquirrel....your thoughts on the death penalty?
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theflyingsquirrel
Nov 5, 2004, 2:40 AM
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FRY THEIR ASSES!!!
no im just kiding let them all sit in jail for the rest of their lives if they deserve it. its not our descision on wether someone should die or not thats kindof where i was coming from. i was raised catholic an im sorry for not seeing where most of you people come from and i respect your view of abortion. but you could say i was born an brainwashed on the catholic tradition that all things have life from the moment of conception till natural death, thats all. i didn't mean to tell you what you could and could not do. i try not to judge cus thats for God alone to do all i can do is judge myself and try to live my life by what i believe.
"the road of life is rocky and you may stumble too so while you point your fingers someone else is judging you" could you be loved - Bob Marley
no one is perfect
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theflyingsquirrel
Nov 5, 2004, 2:49 AM
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petsfed i don't support suicide. sure if you say your gonna kill yourself ill try and stop you if i could but i can't make you not want to. it all comes down to how a person percives life and the world around them. if you want to believe your life is a reck cus your mother was a whore or you were the child of rapist or any of that go ahead. im not gonna tell you your any worse of a person because of your backround. and im not perfect no one is, ill admit it i smoke pot do drugs all that other bad stuff a young person shouldn't be doing but im not going to kill myself because i turned to be what someone thought of as bad person. all i have in my life that is for certain is what i believe and if you don't believe in anything then you are truely someone who is deserving of pity. and those beliefs of the church WRONG OR RIGHT are what i have so...
have a nice day :D
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tempestwind
Nov 5, 2004, 7:07 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Curt wrote: "Get over it. life goes on" What kind of apathetic citizen are you friend? How about doing something about it. Which includes talking about it. Ranting is OK when it comes to this in my opinion, I'm pissed off and I'm gonna let people know about it. DEAL WITH ME BUD! If bush is such a facist, how come Kerry only mustered 27% of the gay vote?
What are You talking about Tradster???
During the Clinton Admin....The republicans put Clinton under a microscope and were complaining,screaming,pointing,kicking fussing all 8 years. Until the lewinsky scandle the best thing they had was whitewater(wow).The democrats may Have Moore but it is a heck of alot better than limbaugh.
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tisar
Nov 5, 2004, 11:07 AM
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Sorry if it's off topic now, but I really want to react on this one:
In reply to: Oh and thank you "Tisar" for your oh so insightful and helpful comment oh uberinformed poster to climbing websites. May I suggest http://www.climbingboulder.com, you'd fit right in over there buddy. :twisted:
Really didn't mean to offend you. I'm totally with you, just felt that there wasn't anything surprising or new in the agenda. Take it as the expression of bitterness while I think the given arguments should have led to another outcome of the election.
For being a little more supportive: Might be a small comfort, but I really hope that the backdraft will reunite the american left to a point where the democrats stop chummig up with the conservative mainstream. Sometimes it's better to have a strong opposition than a weak leadership.
The close outcome of the german election two years ago, paired with the loss of majority in the second house, has visibly weakend the Social Democrats. As an effect they had to come as close to the conservatives you couldn't name a difference any more. In fact they overtake the Christian Democratics (comparable to American Republicans) on the right side in many actions.
As both our left parties (the Green also, parties are allowed to build coalitions to form governmental majorities in Germany) are involved in the leadership there's no real opposition any more. In my darkest hours I wish the conservatives had won the election - just to have someone left who works as a counterweight...
In a way I'm with curt: Live goes on. Mourning doesn't change a thing. Maybe it's time for the left to unite, maybe it's time for the democrats to find a program which really differs from the republican one and maybe it's time to to get on the streets from time to time if things are getting worse.
Meanwhile I hope that Bush's foreign policy will not lead to another war and that the rest of the world will find an alternative way to enforce peace, freedom and democracy than at the cost of thousands of lifes.
- Daniel
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tradman
Nov 5, 2004, 11:22 AM
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In reply to: The close outcome of the german election two years ago, paired with the loss of majority in the second house, has visibly weakend the Social Democrats. As an effect they had to come as close to the conservatives you couldn't name a difference any more.
That's very interesting Tisar, and seems to be a common trend in many countries right now. We've got almost exaclty the same thing happening in Britain now - the ruling party, the Labour Party - traditionally a socialist group - has gradually grown to be almost identical in outlook and in policies to the Conservative opposition party.
What I would add though, is that the change here has been led by a few key figures, Tony Bliar amongst them. If those figures were removed, I think we'd find that other voices who are quiet right now might speak up and return diversity to the parliament.
Do you think that could happen where you are?
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tisar
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I don't think that any Social Democratic would have had the chance to act different. To get something done you allways have to get the permission of the second house. Perhaps Schröder is in tendence a neo-liberalist, but I don't see how another one would have come around the fact they have to deal with the conservatives all the time.
The weakening of the Greens perhaps is the worst. They were allways a source of reasonable left programmatic which now has dried out. The Socialists (PDS) can't fill that gap as they are completly at strife and still struggeling with the old (selfcalled communist) members of the former GDR party.
Right now there's no real alternative to the existing constellation which makes things really ugly. That's why I sometimes wish the conservatives will make it next time - giving the left a chance to reorganize again.
- Daniel
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